It’s not just ammo and components

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Mark_Mark said:
Go down to SW Florida, 1/2 people are not wearing mask and it’s mostly old people here. They are out partying and drinking and dining. Feels good to be human again. My gun range club is Seattle could care less if you wear a mask
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We were on the SE coast visiting relatives over the holidays and most people in public were masked - some wore gloves as well - young and old; mostly only over-the-hill and middle-aged people walking around bare-faced. Like us. We got stopped and lectured by a millennial female (????) whom I told point-blank a 0.125 micron virus is not going to be deterred by her unrated cloth facial garment made of fabrics which wouldn't stop a 5 micron bacterial microbe, let alone a viral strain. She screamed insanity and was on the verge of becoming violent when my wife and I simply turned and walked away. To avoid future similar incidents, our relatives asked us to "mask up" in public. The masks are symbols of obedience with absolutely ZERO clinical purpose whatsoever.
 
FROGO207 said:
Working for a local plumbing, heating, electrical contractor. It seems a LOT of people are either upgrading their second/retirement "cottages" to make them year around and add generators. Cant find licenced help or materials to get things done either. Generators 1 year wait presently. And no most of these people are not pro gun either. Comming from boston, NYC, or such areas they have commented that they want to now move to a "safe" place. Sigh:confused::fire:
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Here in N. Florida's West Coast, generators are always in short supply. We have seen record-level new construction around here, especially closer to the Swamp: condo's, office spaces, concrete parking garages, wood-frame apartment complexes, single-family homes... everything. We're in the midst of a construction boom. The shortages you're seeing up north are most likely the result of all the construction down south, especially in central and northern Florida. We are seeing record new arrivals from all over the northeast and midwest. And most of them are not healthy, young people looking for economic opportunity or the typical career retiree - we are seeing a lot of families with younger children. Our CMS units are reporting bigger numbers than the mid-2K migration. The one thing being strained in Florida right now is medical services.
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
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Yes, like I said in another post, I kind of have made a hobby since grad of following trends - economic, societal, political... anything that trends is interesting to observe and try to predict. Even lotto numbers, which are theoretically random, will tend to trend in the long run. Don't take that to mean I dabble in predictive analytics, it isn't and I don't, a trend isn't typically predictive.

I've been looking at the opposing reaction in the shortages. Typically, when one commodity is experiencing a glut, the opposing complimentary commodity is experiencing a drought. Think about the trend a few decades back towards small pocket autos in sub-calibers - the Seecamp Craze. That trend resulted in bargain prices for large-frame autos (1911's and Hi-Powers) as the market adjusted to a new consumer demand: sub-pocket .32 autos. At that time, prices for Model 10, 15, 19, 29 etc. Smiths and the few I/V-frame Colts still being produced weren't really effected - since no one ever considered a K/L/N-frame S&W or a Colt's Python/Anaconda a "pocket carry" revolver, they aren't an opposing complimentary commodity - but prices for J-frame/D-frame and equivalent copies did go up. Likewise, new competitors entered the .25/.32/.380 market and wiped out the high-dollar products that started the craze. Disappointed bargain shoppers bad-mouthed the trend generally and it peter'd out. Demand leads to price inflation leads to scarcity leads to bust; meanwhile, on the opposite side of the spectrum, lack of demand leads to inventory glut leads to price deflation leads to higher demand... you get the drift.

I have not seen a definitive commodity-based trend in this recent market turmoil. There is NO opposing complimentary commodity to ammunition. There "appears" to be NO preference or favored platform of firearm. As one LGS owner told me months ago, "...they're buying anything with a trigger..." speaking of the new gun-buyers flooding his shop. This market isn't trending anywhere but towards central control, lead by mandate of a ruling group, guerilla economics and planned management by a central authority of every resource of production, especially labor. That is the only identifiable trend, thus far.

[NB: edited because I really badly typoed most of that. :( ]
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I like that. It’s very freakanomics-like. Maybe you can’t find ammunition’s opposing commodity because you’re looking in the wrong place. Perhaps it isn’t about ammunition or even a firearm. Rather, it’s what it represents. Folks are buying safety, security, comfort, power, or some other “feeling” that is in opposition to (and thus protects them from)...whatever is on their mind that makes them uncomfortable.

The C8 Corvette sales have precious little to do with automobiles. And certainly not the opposing EVs. It’s about hair loss, midriff bulge, and stuff like that.
 
CQB45ACP said:
I like that. It’s very freakanomics-like. Maybe you can’t find ammunition’s opposing commodity because you’re looking in the wrong place. Perhaps it isn’t about ammunition or even a firearm. Rather, it’s what it represents. Folks are buying safety, security, comfort, power, or some other “feeling” that is in opposition to (and thus protects them from)...whatever is on their mind that makes them uncomfortable.

The C8 Corvette sales have precious little to do with automobiles. And certainly not the opposing EVs. It’s about hair loss, midriff bulge, and stuff like that.
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You have a point. Frog and I were discussing that - migration and fortress-building.
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
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We were on the SE coast visiting relatives over the holidays and most people in public were masked - some wore gloves as well - young and old; mostly only over-the-hill and middle-aged people walking around bare-faced. Like us. We got stopped and lectured by a millennial female (????) whom I told point-blank a 0.125 micron virus is not going to be deterred by her unrated cloth facial garment made of fabrics which wouldn't stop a 5 micron bacterial microbe, let alone a viral strain. She screamed insanity and was on the verge of becoming violent when my wife and I simply turned and walked away. To avoid future similar incidents, our relatives asked us to "mask up" in public. The masks are symbols of obedience with absolutely ZERO clinical purpose whatsoever.
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It depends.

Let’s stick with n95 masks for this example. The potential problem with your reasoning here is that a particle of COVID doesn’t float around on its own and thus can’t find its way through an n95 mask. It’s attached to something which is larger like a droplet or aerosol of moisture which is much larger and is therefore easily trapped by the mask.

So, good masks work. Bad masks don’t.
 
CQB45ACP said:
It depends.

Let’s stick with n95 masks for this example. The potential problem with your reasoning here is that a particle of COVID doesn’t float around on its own and thus can’t find its way through an n95 mask. It’s attached to something which is larger like a droplet or aerosol of moisture which is much larger and is therefore easily trapped by the mask.

So, good masks work. Bad masks don’t.
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I think a masking debate is straying a little far afield of the topic - shortages in supply and not just of ammo and components - so I'm not going to engage. Interesting thoughts for another topic.
 
CQB45ACP said:
Aw c’mon man as someone says:)
I thought your mask comment was about masks. My mistake.
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No, I was responding to how people were reacting in SE vs. SW Florida. I haven't been south of MacDill in almost a year. I have been south of Dania as recently as Christmas.
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
No, I was responding to how people were reacting in SE vs. SW Florida. I haven't been south of MacDill in almost a year. I have been south of Dania as recently as Christmas.
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I don’t even know where those places are, but I don’t care...they still sound warm. I’d be a snowbird, probably SW near Naples, but I’d have to make a separate trip with my reloading gear.

There’s a shortage of good grass fed beef around here at reasonable prices. Used to get it at a place called Whole Foods, but after Amazon bought them it’s scarce. So now I have to get organic, grass fed and “organic” adds 20% to the cost. Why beef is hard to get, I haven’t a clue.
 
Some of it is coming in here and there. I've been looking for a 32 bullet mold for a while now. I did a dail search on GB and sleazebay for quite a while now. A seller put 150 of them up for sale. The 311 93 grain variety. I figured I'd buy one when I got home while stuck in traffic on the way home for 30 minutes I checked the auction... there were 5 left. I had to end up buying it on my phone. And for a .32 pistol caliber mold of all things.. Looks like it shipped a day ago. Super crazy times.
 
Analogkid said:
Some of it is coming in here and there. I've been looking for a 32 bullet mold for a while now. I did a dail search on GB and sleazebay for quite a while now. A seller put 150 of them up for sale. The 311 93 grain variety. I figured I'd buy one when I got home while stuck in traffic on the way home for 30 minutes I checked the auction... there were 5 left. I had to end up buying it on my phone. And for a .32 pistol caliber mold of all things.. Looks like it shipped a day ago. Super crazy times.
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It's funny how these sellers are getting quantities of items to post for sale. They are driving the shortage and supplying the need at scalpers pricing.
 
CQB45ACP said:
I don’t even know where those places are, but I don’t care...they still sound warm. I’d be a snowbird, probably SW near Naples, but I’d have to make a separate trip with my reloading gear.

There’s a shortage of good grass fed beef around here at reasonable prices. Used to get it at a place called Whole Foods, but after Amazon bought them it’s scarce. So now I have to get organic, grass fed and “organic” adds 20% to the cost. Why beef is hard to get, I haven’t a clue.
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All of our local beef is "grass fed." Turn them loose and let them graze. We live within mooing distance of a fair size cattle farm. You can smell when the temperatures drop and the ranchers put out barn hay to supplement.
Most of our meat is getting shipped out of state but I don't know where to. Locally, chuck is on sale for $4/lb, ribeyes are on sale for $8/lb and NY strips are on sale for $7/lb. This time last year chuck was typically $4/lb, as low as $2/lb, ribeyes were on sale at $12/lb and NY strip was on sale at $11/lb. I suspect problems with the transportation networks are keeping a lot of our production local instead of allowing it to flow to the larger markets. Why the premium cuts are so much cheaper while the pedestrian cuts about the same if not more is a little puzzling.
 
CQB45ACP said:
I don’t even know where those places are, but I don’t care...they still sound warm. I’d be a snowbird, probably SW near Naples, but I’d have to make a separate trip with my reloading gear.

There’s a shortage of good grass fed beef around here at reasonable prices. Used to get it at a place called Whole Foods, but after Amazon bought them it’s scarce. So now I have to get organic, grass fed and “organic” adds 20% to the cost. Why beef is hard to get, I haven’t a clue.
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I'm not sure what inorganic beef is. Tofu? TVP? Styrofoam? :thumbdown:o_O
 
There were a lot of can shortages. Restaurants and bars were shut down, so the demand for large food cans dropped and the demand for small food cans skyrocketed (for home consumer purchase). Also demand for beer kegs and soda kegs dropped and demand for 12pk cans skyrocketed. People still ate and drank. They just needed it packaged for general distribution and not for bulk at restaurants and bars. Producers couldn't get the cans to put their product in. It wasn't a shortage of the food, just the retail container.

It is nice to see toilet paper, soaps, disinfectants, and such back on the shelves. I think production caught up and hit an equilibrium on regular household items now.
 
WeekendReloader said:
Also demand for beer kegs and soda kegs dropped and demand for 12pk cans skyrocketed.
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LOL!! Well, I'm thinking you're probably right but, around here near everybody's got a kegerator (or two or three) in their garage or on the bar-b-cue deck around these parts. :)
Except us teetotalers but we're pretty rare.
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
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LOL!! Well, I'm thinking you're probably right but, around here near everybody's got a kegerator (or two or three) in their garage or on the bar-b-cue deck around these parts. :)
Except us teetotalers but we're pretty rare.
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Here in Michigan there was a shortage of canned beer and soda and anything else in an aluminum can. Since people couldn't go to bars and restaurants, they drank their favorite beverage at home and in greater quantities. Liquor store owners said it was like New Year's Eve every day of the week. They couldn't keep beverages in stock. I guess they had issues with glass bottle supplies also.
 
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GeoDudeFlorida said:
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All of our local beef is "grass fed." Turn them loose and let them graze. We live within mooing distance of a fair size cattle farm. You can smell when the temperatures drop and the ranchers put out barn hay to supplement.
Most of our meat is getting shipped out of state but I don't know where to. Locally, chuck is on sale for $4/lb, ribeyes are on sale for $8/lb and NY strips are on sale for $7/lb. This time last year chuck was typically $4/lb, as low as $2/lb, ribeyes were on sale at $12/lb and NY strip was on sale at $11/lb. I suspect problems with the transportation networks are keeping a lot of our production local instead of allowing it to flow to the larger markets. Why the premium cuts are so much cheaper while the pedestrian cuts about the same if not more is a little puzzling.
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Strip steak is my favorite and organic (not them, but what they eat) grass fed were easily $12/lb and that’s fine with me. But finding them at that price or any price is like finding a $32 brick of SPP.
Here’s a picture of my absolute favorites.
 
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CQB45ACP said:
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Strip steak is my favorite and organic (not them, but what they eat) grass fed were easily $12/lb and that’s fine with me. But finding them at that price or any price is like finding a $32 brick of SPP.
Here’s a picture of my absolute favorites.
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It's a 12 hour drive to Palatka, FL from D.C. Put a cooler in the trunk, buy some dry ice and come down to load up. :)
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
Why the premium cuts are so much cheaper while the pedestrian cuts about the same if not more is a little puzzling.
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It's not just meat.

People are paying more for an aluminum Lee two cavity than they would for a brass six cavity MP.

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I'm not a Lee hater and I own a few of their molds, but that's like paying more for two pounds of butcher shop floor sweepings than you would for six pounds of prime rib!
 
Swampman said:
It's not just meat.

People are paying more for an aluminum Lee two cavity than they would for a brass six cavity MP.

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I'm not a Lee hater and I own a few of their molds, but that's like paying more for two pounds of butcher shop floor sweepings than you would for six pounds of prime rib!
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Stew meat vs steak? Maybe what we’re seeing is what Frog mentioned: people preparing to relocate. Buying smaller-lighter to make moving easier? Interesting
 
CQB45ACP said:
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Strip steak is my favorite and organic (not them, but what they eat) grass fed were easily $12/lb and that’s fine with me. But finding them at that price or any price is like finding a $32 brick of SPP.
Here’s a picture of my absolute favorites.
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I just never understood $100+/# meat. I like a nice Choice cut, don’t mind the chew, that what teeth are for :)
 
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