it felt like cheating...

[roval]

an older gentleman asked me to spot for him for the 560 yrd gongs as i had my spotting scope out. he kept shooting either high or low on the ram silhouette. he was shooting a 6.5 creedmore rifle. he asked me to try shooting it. of course i will not turn down such an offer. i asked him how much drop he was expecting but he just had me look through the scope, press a button with the crosshairs on the target which then gave the range 561 yrds and a light came on in the lower part of the reticle. the scope already had the bullet preprogrammed . with a bipod and rear bag first shot was a center hit. i had aimed slightly high on the shoulder. i missed the second shot as i put it dead center and it just went below the belly.

he had me try the 750 yrd gong which must be slightly bigger than a torso plate. did the same thing lased the target and a light shows up indicating the drop, adjust and boom first time hit.

all he had done prior was to zero it at 100 yrds and then rezero at 500 yrds which is what he was trying to do.

looking at pics, it looks like a burris eliminator. cool scope. anybody else have one? too expensive for me though.

 

[LoonWulf]

Ive never used one considered getting one when they were first released...if i remeber correctly joint effort between burris, bushnell and one or more others.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

I don't have one but 2 of the guys at my old deer camp did. They had 7mm STWs with the Burris Illuminator scope on them.

They often shot deer at insane ranges. I thought they were exaggerating until I saw them shoot the darn thing.

 

[GBExpat]

looking at pics, it looks like a burris eliminator. cool scope. anybody else have one? too expensive for me though.

I just googled "burris eliminator" and saw some prices ... WHOA!

I have never paid that much for a rifle.

It sure sounds like a dandy bit of Tech, though.

Thanks for taking the time to share this.

 

[243winxb]

At this sunday shoot, guy told me about his scope.

Had night vision and automatic bullet preprogrammed like the OP seen. Was a 300 Winchester mag . Said its used for wild boar hunting at night.

 

[wally]

I just googled "burris eliminator" and saw some prices ... WHOA!

I have never paid that much for a rifle.

Obviously you've never considered Nightforce, etc.

 

[Ibmikey]

I cannot afford such luxury, the photo setup is a AAC Handi 300 Blackout with Nikon AR 3x ---and we use solar lights with motion detector. My buddy has a night vision on his rifle and scores quite a few hogs but none of the distances in W Texas would warrant a five hundred yard scope, besides I can hardly answer my I phone 6 + anymore so i cannot imagine using a computerized scope.

 

[roval]

i don't know if its me moving from recoil after the shot or the scope itself but it takes a couple of seconds before i reaquire the sight picture grows hazy and seems to go out of focus almost like an autofocus camera if it makes any sense.. i wouldnt consider the recoil to be significant. it behaves slightly different after the shot compared to a normal scope i previously had on my m1a.

 

[Varminterror]

I've not yet owned an Eliminator III, but I had a Gen 1 and two Gen 2's. I'm very tempted by the E III with the remote so I can stay in firing position and re-range.

I'd personally say they're best used 600yrds and in, where most shooters could become proficient even without the Eliminator. If a guy can REALLY field-shoot at 100yrds, they can typically, with practice, get to 300yrds in a matter of a few rounds, then bridging out from 300-600yrds typically takes a few months of practice, but can USUALLY be achieved, given appropriate equipment modifications. The Eliminator will help speed up that 300-600yrd transition, as well as give the shooter a little forgiveness for failing to practice quite as much as they would without it. (DO NOT READ THAT TO SAY "FORGIVE FOR NOT PRACTICING AT ALL).

In the end, it's really not any different than using a laser range finder then dialing your dope - with a little help. Kinda like driving an automatic vs. manual transmission with a heavy load. The automatic transmission will shift gears for you and keep you in the right range MOST of the time, which takes out some of the burden of knowledge for the driver - or rather for the shooter, but if you're a skilled/experienced driver hauling a heavy load through the mountains, it can be an advantage to have direct control over the transmission - or rather the scope and elevation/range corrections.

Just like driving a heavy load in the mountains with an automatic transmission, there ARE limitations where the shooter needs to understand his load and external ballistics very well before taking long shots on game with the Eliminators. You absolutely MUST have an accurate BC and muzzle velocity to pick the right ballistic model to use, and you REALLY need to understand environmental conditions and impacts upon your trajectory. For example, your load might run 100fps slower in cold weather than it does in the heat of summer, so you have to adjust the programming as appropriate. Even if you correct the ballistic model for your muzzle velocity, it doesn't accommodate any environmental effect on your trajectory, so when you really reach out there where shooting at 1250ft elevation in Kansas at midday at 50degrees has significantly less drop than shooting at 6800ft in Colorado on a chilly 10 degree morning - the shooter has to remember, the scope doesn't do ALL of the work for them.

They're a lot more than a novelty, and they're very valuable pieces of equipment, but it doesn't make an expert long range shooter out of a novice.

 

[outlawjw]

I have had one the glass is not good for dusk & dawn shooting ,had to let a big 10 pt walk because could not see him in scope but no problem with binocs. Gave scope away

 

[everydefense]

I have had one the glass is not good for dusk & dawn shooting ,had to let a big 10 pt walk because could not see him in scope but no problem with binocs. Gave scope away

You "gave" a $1300+ scope away?

 

[wally]

For example, your load might run 100fps slower in cold weather than it does in the heat of summer, so you have to adjust the programming as appropriate. Even if you correct the ballistic model for your muzzle velocity, it doesn't accommodate any environmental effect on your trajectory, so when you really reach out there where shooting at 1250ft elevation in Kansas at midday at 50degrees has significantly less drop than shooting at 6800ft in Colorado on a chilly 10 degree morning - the shooter has to remember, the scope doesn't do ALL of the work for them.

Certainly not, but after integrating a laser rangefinder into the scope, adding pressure (barometer), temperature, and wind-speed & direction seems an obvious evolution towards a compelling product if the long range shooting sports continue to grow. Many cell phones can do the weather info with a relatively simple anemometer that plugs into the headphone jack (Nikon makes one, forget the name of it). I think the Strlok ballistic calculator App can use your phone GPS coordinates and get local elevation and weather information if you've cell service where you are shooting.

I believe there are hand held meters that talk to certain rangefinder-ballistic calculators over bluetooth to help automate things.

 

[CB900F]

Fella's;

I don't know for sure, but I strongly suspect that using that, or any scope of that type, to take a game animal in Montana is illegal. The regs specifically prohibit any electronic aids or device attached to the firearm. Illuminated reticle is OK as nothing "electronic" exits the gun. But laser rangefinders have to be hand-held & separate from the gun as I understand it.

Basically, they're trying to keep the tradition of hunting alive. In other words, the game animal has to have a chance & they don't want that chance reduced by technology. Can't say as I blame 'em either.

900F

 

[jmorris]

Basically, they're trying to keep the tradition of hunting alive. In other words, the game animal has to have a chance & they don't want that chance reduced by technology.

Pretty hard to do when you allow firearms. I assume they allow smokeless powders, modern bullets with high BC's and magnified optics?

 

[CB900F]

Jmorris;

I think you know my point, but if you don't, or won't, recognize it that makes another point.

900F

 

[jmorris]

I think I do but there are a growing number of folks that make a shot and maybe field dress a deer then take it to a processor and come back a few weeks later to pick up a cooler full of wrapped meat ready to cook.

Some don't like throwing corn or "baiting" deer and others don't like the deer eating all of the wife's flowers around the house.

Different realities, depending on where you are.

Then there are people that just like cool toys for killing paper or steel and rather get meat at the store.

 

[Deaf Smith]

Now I use short rifles like apenditure sighted 30/30s and I walk (no deer stands for me) but with our Texas Parks and.Wildlife 13 inch antler rule, I'm tempted to get a 'beanfield' gun and just sit in my brother-in-laws haystack where I can see 700 yards or more and just use a spotting scope to hunt!

I'm tired of letting good deer just walk past cause I can't see the size of the antler spread. So maybe a burris eliminator one day!

Oh and an ACOG on a good AR is in the same ballpark as for price as a eliminator scope.

Deaf

 

[outlawjw]

Have a grandson that was ready for a scope on his gun , so yea I gave it away.

 

[outlawjw]

He loves it , but he is inexperienced in what to look for in a scope for hunting trophy sized bucks . They are a different class of smart than most deer.