"It happens"

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It happens alright ....every time someone plays with their firearm! Truth be known, I would bet 99.9% of all accidental discharges occur when the person is PLAYING with the damn firearm! Why or what was the reason she was even unloading the firearm in her office in the first place. She was PLAYING with it.
 
Seems like a lot of people pull the trigger as a way to "make sure" it's unloaded

While I doubt she participates, it's standard at IDPA and USPSA matches. Of course there you follow the RO's commands: unload, show the empty chamber, aim at the backstop and hammer down, and holster. If the gun has a striker, you have to pull the trigger.

And this is why I think one training course to get a permit is next to useless. It might teach you to know the correct way of doing things, but without a lot of repetition and constant hounding by a RO, it doesn't become muscle memory where you don't have to think about.
 
It happens alright ....every time someone plays with their firearm! Truth be known, I would bet 99.9% of all accidental discharges occur when the person is PLAYING with the damn firearm! Why or what was the reason she was even unloading the firearm in her office in the first place. She was PLAYING with it.

Yep. I was playing with mine one time and it went off.
 
Geeeeeeeezzzzzzz, give the Woman a break.

She OBVIOUSLY can not tell the truth, because she is a Politition. Duh.

She OBVIOUSLY blames the gun, because , again, she's a Politition.

Her saveing grace? Shes actually packing a conceled carry, and with a bit more training, she'll potentially be able to actually make people SAFER with her pro Second Amendment doings and as a Citizen with a Hand gun.......but she's still a Politition......
 
I pull the trigger on my striker fired pistols before I stick them in the safe to "decock" them. I know it's not really necessary but its a part of the routine. Granted, I only do this after clearing the chamber, racking the slide a couple times, and visually checking the chamber...twice - its the one thing I'm very OCD about. I also open the cylinder (or loading gate on my SA's) and close it, re-open and spin the cylinder...twice. It's just a mental thing so that I'm 100% positive it's unloaded.
 
Sorry to say a former neighbor and friend of my parents who was a delegate had this happen in the Virginia State Capitol
 
^^^ 100% correct


I had to put my hip waders on because that was a big load of crap! I'd like to know why it took 1 hour and 55 mins to report the incident. Had it been a normal citizen, the person would have had an army of police on their case within minutes. Her whole story was B.S.
 
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Here's a follow up question: Should her CWP be revoked?

I don't think we should be in the habit of revoking CWP due to a negligent discharge where nobody was hurt.
 
If there were felony charges preferred every time there was an accidental discharge, the prisons would be full. OK, they already are, but there'd be lots more. :eek:

I think that request is a little harsh. Agreed, nobody loves a politician, but that's unreasonable. Wonder if the "common folk" are allowed to carry in the statehouse.

Typical pol though, shoves the blame somewhere else. "I acted in a safe manner by not pointing it at anyone, like they taught us", I bet they also taught you to keep your finger out of the trigger guard. Ditz.
 
To unload her gun she racked the slide, dropped the mag and pointed in a safe direction to make sure gun in unloaded.

In Mass I had to take a safety course to obtain my license. The instructor drilled in our heads drop mag then rack the slide. As proof that I paid attention its been over a decade of having handguns and I still haven't put a hole in my wall.

I wonder if this was a staged incident.
 
In the made for TV movie about the FBI Miami shootout, the Jerry Dove character, when leaving home that morning, takes his weapon from the drawer, racks the slide, inserts the mag, then holsters the weapon. Don't know what made me remember that...
 
would any1

be ranting about this, if she was a god fearing republican?
 
If you have never had a AD then I think you should be quite and not judge others. I had one 40 years ago reloading a Walther PPK after cleaning it. It does take you by surprise and can happen to anyone. One AD in 50 years of gun handling isn't too bad, and yes keep the finger off the trigger.

Jim
 
Mp7, "Would any1 be ranting about this is she was a god fearing republican?"

YES, ABSOLUTELY! As this isn't a political forum it doesn't matter what her affiliation, BAD firearm practices are the issue here. A ND is the issue here. Her ignorant statement of "it happens" is the issue here giving gunowners who properly and safely follow gun handling procedures a bad name. THATS the issues here.
 
Yes, absolutely.
I hold everyone accountable for his/her actions, regardless of political affiliation.
Which is the same standard I hold myself to.
It's called "intellectual honesty".

So, she points it away from the other person in her office, and assumes it was a "safe" direction. Where did that bullet go? What (or who) was on the other side of that wall (floor, ceiling)?
 
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The focus is really on the indisputable fact that she pulled the trigger.

As part of the end of shift routine coming off duty, we were required to drop the magazine, eject the chambered round, check to see it was unloaded, and then, while pointing the weapon into a barrel filled with sand, pull the trigger. It was standard practice twice a day for a large number of MP on duty at Ft. Benning in 2002.

Being a nearsighted myopic four eyes, I check the chamber closely. I cannot casually glance at an open slide and see into the dark recesses with off handed assurance. I pay attention because it's not as easy as I would like.

Here's the issue - why are we pulling the trigger? If it's unloaded and on safe, leave the hammer back or striker cocked, right?

Some people think the springs will lose tension in storage if left under pressure.

If the chamber was NOT cleared, then a weapon would be stored with a round in the chamber, and other human beings who would think it should be unloaded would manipulate it and have a negligent discharge. They shouldn't - but it would happen anyway.

Therefore the protocol is to pull the trigger ensuring that any further handling of the firearm will be conducted with one that does not have a live round in it. And that pointing it in a safe direction while releasing the striking mechanism is necessary.

Now we go to, why unload it in the office? She didn't like it loaded. Is that a good time to do it?

How many of us have loaded and unloaded a firearm in the privacy of our own "quarters?" Almost all of us. It is, in fact, exactly the circumstances reported by Ruger that initiated the first recall on the LCP.

Looking at a lot of these situations, we can cry foul for saying it, but as long as humans handle firearms, IT HAPPENS.

We get reports almost weekly on it. It's discussed in threads, oops, somebody shot the toilet. The response should be a bit more enlightened than "Send that idiot to combat toilet training class!" The reality is that handling a firearm is complicated and we need to pay attention.

Motorcycle riders have acknowledged that it's not a matter of if you ever fall off a bike, it's when. Gun owners need to take a proactive view it's not a matter that you haven't had an ND, it's "Will you be doing all the right things when you do?"

Be careful casting stones in a glass house - firearms going off because the operator unintentionally mishandled them happens. All the time. Nearly every day, nationwide.

So, instead of copping an attitude about "It happens," what do you suggest would be even more safe than what we already do?

How do you absolutely ensure the chamber is empty and you can pull the trigger to lower the hammer? Or - should we all own decockers and avoid the hassle? Outlaw all SA guns with a thumb safety? How about we issue new P7's at the age of 21 to every citizen and require them to attend training until they demonstrate that they can't do it wrong, as some suggest?

That's not even going to happen. But ND's still would, regardless.

It happens. People have car wrecks, amorous couples become pregnant, and politicians get involved in scandals. It's a firearm, how much more difficult are you going to make it?

Your answer could very well be the new gun control law nobody wants.
 
There is more to this story. I also think that she was probobly playing with her gun. How many ladies take the gun out of the purse and unload it while at work and then reload it while they leave? The answer is none. She is a big fat liar. Although, it is nice to see, at least ostensibly, a pro gun democrate.
 
Does "it happen"? Yep, unfortunately, all the time.

Should "it happen"? No, never.
 
The ND is compounded, imho, by her lack of contrition and deflection of responsibility. The fact that she is an elected leader magnifies her transgressions.

How sure can a person be as to where a "safe" place to point the weapons would be in an office building?
 
be ranting about this, if she was a god fearing republican?
Yes. This isn't an R vs D issue. We have CCW in KY primarily because of the work of D legislators and the bill was signed by a D governor. There are darned few anti-gun D's in Frankfort. We (rightfully) bash anyone who does something that harms our sport/hobby/right.

Politics being what they are, however, if she were an R she might have taken a lot more heat from House leadership. The fact she is a D in a chamber controlled by D's means they probably won't pursue any sort of legal or disciplinary action...just the same as if she were an R in the R controlled Senate.
 
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