Italian Gun Laws

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Bene, bene.

Good info.

When I lived there (Ederle in Vicenza) I was told I could not bring my firearms with me, nor could I buy any EXCEPT at the Beretta factory where you could have a shotgun IMMEDIATELY shipped to the states after purchase.

I saw plenty of Italiani bird hunting with shotguns, but didn't know their laws are actually quite liberal compared to most of Europe.
 
Swiss gun laws suck compared to here in the US:

I don't think so.. The only part of our actual law that sucks is the NO CARRY part..

other than that, it's quite the same as in the US. I can, for example, go tomorrow (and paying 150$ permit) pick up a Sabre Defense Industries M4 (Yeah, M4, I mean M4, with the happy Switch, not XR-14M4 clone..) ... I saw one on friday.. and it's price, only with 50 shot fired was 1600$ .... I think I'm gonna buy it actually.


ps: france is better than italy in some aspects, but worse in others.. pretty equivalent i'd say..

Nolo made it very clear with his tier therory I think.
 
I can, for example, go tomorrow (and paying 150$ permit) pick up a Sabre Defense Industries M4 (Yeah, M4, I mean M4, with the happy Switch, not XR-14M4 clone..) ... I saw one on friday.. and it's price, only with 50 shot fired was 1600$ .... I think I'm gonna buy it actually.

:eek:

You've got the U.S. on that one, brother. Pardon me while I mope and wish I had an M4.... :(
 
Shung said:
I can, for example, go tomorrow (and paying 150$ permit) pick up a Sabre Defense Industries M4 (Yeah, M4, I mean M4, with the happy Switch, not XR-14M4 clone..)

True, but don't you have to pay for a "day pass" permit every time you want to take that M4 to the range and practice with the happy switch? If I remember correctly, the permit is quite pricey...$100+ ?
 
Compared to ....?

Compared to the UK, some aspects of the Italian gun laws don't sound too bad.

Compared to Australia, some aspects of the Italian gun laws don't sound too bad.

Compared to New Zealand, some aspects of the Italian gun laws don't sound too bad.

It all depends on your point of view. Saying that XYZ's countries firearms laws are "very strict" actually doesn't tell me very much at all. It tells me about as much as saying "different from those in the USA".
....Compared to Washington DC Italy's laws sound excellent.
 
Ooookay, then, is there any other "Tier One" countries out there besides the US?
Phillipines I think.
The Phillipines allows full auto, but they require licensing to own even a .22 rifle and a PITA process it seems.
http://thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=1107063&postcount=9

"This amnesty is unique in that it extends to the citizen who wants to return to the fold of the law the opportunity to legitimize his ownership of such small arms as machine pistols, submachine guns, and assault rifles, as well as hunting and sporting rifles larger than .22 caliber, although the licensing of the same is wholly discretionary on the part of the chief of the Philippine National Police. Given the fair number of automatic weapons previously legitimized under past amnesty programs, it’s a fair bet that the Chief, PNP will be liberal in approving such applications."
http://www.unlawyer.net/?p=915
 
True, but don't you have to pay for a "day pass" permit every time you want to take that M4 to the range and practice with the happy switch? If I remember correctly, the permit is quite pricey...$100+ ?

That is right !

but when SHTF who cares about a daily fee ;)

(but actually you are right , the daily fee to shoot full autos is a stupid part of or law, and it's only there to make full auto guns only interesting for collectors, not shooters)
 
...Italy opted to go with the "what you NEED and not what you want" approach...

This is true since in Italy has been introduced that fu**ed Common Firearms Catalog, about 10 or 15 years ago: before that are no banned firearms, except for these declared "war gun" (like the 9X19), and we was able to buy all we wanted. For example, Italy was one of first European country which came .454 Casull Freedom Arms in, on 1984 (my uncle bought one); at the time Casull revolvers was the most powerful gun in the world, like .500 S&W today (I'm talking production guns, not handguns chambered for rifle calibers or widcat cartridges). Now, instead, if a gun is not registered in the National Catalog, we cannot own it. And people who decide which guns may or not be registered in the Catalog are stupid and ignorant men, 'cause they had banned .500 S&W and catalogued .460 S&W revolvers, that with accurate and hot reloads are more powerful than .50 cal... A**holes! :cuss:
 
And people who decide which guns may or not be registered in the Catalog are stupid and ignorant men

actually that is a constant all over the world- The men making gun laws have no freaking idea of what they are dealing with..

funny hey ?
 
Does anyone know whether or not there are any public shooting ranges (rifles and/or pistols) in Italy? I am heading to Tuscany on holiday shortly and wondered whether it would be possible to do a bit of handgun shooting whilst there.
 
There are several shooting ranges in Tuscany, in Italian they are called TSN (Tiro a Segno Nazionale), they can lend you firearms and sell ammo. You can find a list here, with contact details:

http://www.uits.it/sezioneDett.asp?regione=Toscana&codReg=16

In order to use the range, you should apply for membership. This involves that, besides paying an annual fee (anywhere from 20 to 70 euros), you should also produce a health certificate issued by your doctor stating that you don't suffer from any mental health problem that could hinder your judgement. You'll also need to produce a picture ID (your passport in your case), but you are required to carry an ID with you anyway in Italy all the time. I'm not familiar with the rules for non-EU citizens, and I'm especially doubtful about the health certificate, maybe they could insist you get one from an Italian doctor. It would be best to contact the range before leaving the US, keeping in mind that you could find some problems communicating with them in English. The most resourceful ranges have their own website and you could try contacting them by email.
Regards,
Goerz
 
Thanks very much for the informative reply, very useful. I am from the UK, so the EU rules would apply to me. I will have a look into their websites and send a few emails, thanks again mate
 
Che piacere sentire da italiani!

(apologies to those who don't understand the world's most beautiful language. it's nothing subversive - I promise)
 
ehehhe, siamo sempre in giro anche se non ci facciamo sentire ;)

Rustynator, make a hook to Switzerland after Toscana. There I will have you shooting "anything" without all those troubles ;)
 
Che piacere sentire da italiani!

Davvero! Non avrei mai pensato che ci fossero altri italiani qui.

Saluti a tutti da Roma! Altri Romani? Dovremmo incontrarci!
 
i'm afraid the news isn't great so far. I arrived in Tuscany a couple days ago and tried to get hold of a few of the tiro a segna's today. After failing to communicate successfully due to my ineptness for the beautiful language i got the concierge lady at my hotel to ring the range in arezzo. After conversing with the range she said they will only allow people with permits to use the range. Can anyone confirm if this is the case please? Is a permit required for gun rental? I will try to get hold of another few ranges and get their take on the matter.

p.s. thanks for the offer shung, would love to take you up on that but unfortunately geneva is too far :-(
 
"War calibers" such as 9x19 are also illegal for civilians in much of South America and Mexico. Do they even attempt to give a reason for this? It makes no sense (not that most gun laws do), I mean if they intend to keep citizens from mounting an insurrection with military arms it's not going to matter.

Insurgents could shoot the government forces with 9x21 and I am pretty sure the victim will not notice the difference! Now the insurgents simply take the weapons and ammo from the government force. Like the Liberator pistol in France -- one 45 ACP into a German soldier's head and now you have his MP40 and all that 9mm ammo.
 
Not what you know it is who...

Rusty,

There has to be clubs and organizations who will have members who will wangle you in, the Italians, like Scousers are great rule benders.

Several years ago the El Al protection detail got into it with some terrorists, at the Rome Airport, they only could have .380 pistols (Don't know why no 9X21s?) no 9X19 for sure.

A lot of the deaths were caused by an Italian Police Officer freezing on the trigger of his Star Sub Gun, he sprayed the passengers.

The Israelis killed all the terrorists, one was beaten to death with an empty 380.

No one knew who the El Al people were, they left on the plane at the gate.

Any details that are incorrect, memory, not intended.
 
Shooting IPSC in Italy

I shoot competitively (IPSC, IDPA, Speed Steel) in Washington state, and will be traveling to Italy on business for the next year. Can a "foreigner" like me own a gun in Italy? Can I import one of my pistols and use it to compete only? I have read the threads and seems like the sporting or defence licenses are only for citizens? Is this correct? Will the local LEO issue me a permit to import? Any advice or input appreciated. Thank you!
 
Question to the European members here.

As an American, one of my greatest fears about the future is a "Greater" government, neither represented by me, or abiding by my constitution. How do you feel about the EU?

To me over here, it seems a lot like what I do not Want. Another government that is not accountable to its people. I will grant you that there are flaws to our system, and not everywhere has to be like here. Do you feel like the EU represents you?

......Murmers something about cold dead hands.........
 
That is what we fear in Switzerland.. we are surrounded by the EU, and we have to deal with it for commercial issues (bilaterals treaty, Schengen etc). They want us to be IN the EU.. but we (a lot of Swiss) DONT (we already said NO once...) ! we don't want our laws to be decided in Bruxelles, nor we don't want our politician to have the "ready excuse" ; "it's not our fault, it was decided in Bruxelles"..

Switzerland is a direct democracy. I want it to stay like that !
 
That is what we fear in Switzerland.. we are surrounded by the EU, and we have to deal with it for commercial issues (bilaterals treaty, Schengen etc). They want us to be IN the EU.. but we (a lot of Swiss) DONT (we already said NO once...) ! we don't want our laws to be decided in Bruxelles, nor we don't want our politician to have the "ready excuse" ; "it's not our fault, it was decided in Bruxelles"..

Keep Switzerland .. Swiss!! You have better cheese, scenery, tax laws, gun laws than the rest of the Euro-peon nations.. I love to visit switzerland one day.. And if SHTF, I think it may be a good place to be hiding out in the mountains with my arsenal of guns. Here in America, we are resorting to communism. I think Switzerland had its bout with socialism in the past, but saw its ineffectiveness and trashed the liberal leftist government. I really pray that Switzerland doesn't succumb to pressure of self-destructive EU governments and their socialist doctrine. You know I know those socialist EU governments are yearning to take your guns and tax dollars.

With Obama in power, USA will most likely become part of EU and will succumb to EU gun laws.

BTW, if you live far enough in the countryside away from people, cannot you shoot your fully auto guns without bringing much attention to yourself? What is the penalty if you get caught without the day permit?

Hey, if you know any secret to getting a greencard in Switzerland let me know. I have been told I have a real potential to be an exceptional yodeler. :D.
 
think Switzerland had its bout with socialism in the past, but saw its ineffectiveness and trashed the liberal leftist government.


dream on.. leftiests and socialists nearly rule out here..

but we will politically fight them as long as possible.

(just an example. You have in some of your state, the "castle doctrine".. which means you can fight an intruder in your own house with the means you think are needed.. this include shooting the bad guy....

well, here in Switzerland, things are different. Last month we had a old man beaten to death (with the wife surviving the beating) by two robbers who wanted the safe key.. when they only found 4000$ , they beated him again, and he died..
That's sad enough, but it's not the end of the story. In the same town, 2 weeks later, a young robber (who later claimed in wasnt) was caught by one citizen in his own property, attempting to enter his house.. The citizen caught the young robber, and retained him until the LEO's arrived the scene.
result ? the young robber is now suing the citizen because he did punch him while arresting him... and guess what ? in the newspapers, our "district attorney" just said that the citizen was wrong, and that you cannot hold someone, even if he is a robber..

things are just gettin crazier every day in europe.. humanism is exagerated, and often the victims and agressor roles are inverted by the so called "justice"...

And since 1999, we cannot legally carry anymore, unless we are very rich, or that someone attempts to kill us first.. and from 1999 our society just got more violent.. and guess what ? they still want to make our gun laws harsher..

You want a piece of advice ? forget Switzerland, head for Montana or Wyoming, and fight for your rights in the USA. The last land of freedom !
ps: stick to folk and country music instead of yoddling ;) )

BTW, if you live far enough in the countryside away from people, cannot you shoot your fully auto guns without bringing much attention to yourself? What is the penalty if you get caught without the day permit?

As we say around here, you have all rights, including the right not to get caught.. But Switzerland isn't exactly like Montana or Wyoming.. You're never far away from anybody or anything.. we are a small country, and people live nearly everywhere.

That means, you don't do such things.. getting caught by the police could go from a high financial penalty, to both financial penalty and all your guns taken away. That's a risk I am not willing to take, unless there is a very good reason for it. (like SHTF)
 
Damn.. so sorry to hear that Shung. You really have sobered me up about Switzerland. Gee, what a shame, such a beautiful country, nice culture, good tax laws with a great history. But, it seems Europe's communist/socialist poison has spread to your nation. I was told that at one time, Switzerland was the safest nation in the world, but thanks to laws empowering criminals and foreigners who are starting to overrun the country, I suppose it will go down the slippery slope of the USA and other foreign countries. France has one of the highest crime rates in Europe, as well as very high rate of foreigners. Also, laws in most of these countries favor criminals and the law abiders usually are the ones who suffer.

Well, if I ever go to Switzerland, it may just because of tax laws. America is becoming a full fledge communist country, where taxes can reach over 50%. We have small business and we are paying almost 45% in taxes in good ol USA. And I really don't trust our banks worth a hoot.

IT seems Europe's pacifism is going to turn it into a haunt of thieves, jackals and militants and the natives will soon find their lives in jeopardy.
 
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