It's just a friendly neighborhood raping...

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Ok, I have a friend in california. He's a senior in college so he lives near campus. He lives in a nice neighborhood right off of a nice Beach in San Diego. Rent is expensive in San Diego so prices are always high but I think the average in this area is about 1K per person per month. His area is certainly not a slum.

He's lived there for 2 months and has had some rather scary run ins.

Close encounter #1:
House next door was broken into on a saturday night. The criminals locked the guys in the bathroom and then took turns raping the 4 girls. Needless to say it scared the crap out of my buddy and his girlfriend.

Close encounter #2
Another neighbor was mugged before going into his home. Held at gunpoint on the sidewalk. (same criminals as close encounter #1)

Close encounter #3
A car broken into on his corner. Different group of bad guys.


This all happened to people within view of his home and it happened within 2 months of moving in. He's on a lease so he's not moving anytime soon.

He talked to me over aim and he seriously pondered getting a gun. The problem is that he lives with 5 other college students that aren't exactly lightweights in the party scene. He also drinks heavily on weekends and is very nervous around firearms. He's afraid he something bad will happen when people are drunk. Also, if he got a shotgun he highly doubts it would have helped in any of the 3 cases shown above. I know this will burn your ears but he doesn't like the idea of CCW 24/7. It's understandable I guess, I mean the kid is a college student for crying out loud.

So THR, what advice do you have for my buddy?
 
alchohol and firearms are an accident waiting to happen,add to the fact he's not comfortable around firearms makes me say not a good idea for him to have a firearm around. mace or oc might be a better option
 
Until he gets a handle on his drinking problem

your friend should not even own a gun. "He drinks heavily on weekends." In my opinion that means he HAS A DRINKING PROBLEM. If he was a responsible person then CCW or HD weapon would be fine. But he sounds like a ticking time bomb. Think of scenarios....he is drunk, just went to bed, thinks someone is breaking in his house. He would do something seriously mistaken and kill or injure an innocent person. Alcohol interferes with judgement and reflexes and motor skills and judgment and logical thinking. That is not my opinion, that is scientific fact. He would be a danger to others having a firearm. 'Nough said.
 
IIRC mace is illegal in CA. OC (pepper spray) is regulated to a degree. I wouldn't want to rely on pepper spray against a group of violent criminals, however.

Unfortunately, drinking and guns don't mix; parties/roommates usually don't help any. I'm not sure if there's a viable middle ground between no-gun (potential victim) and armed (requires dedication and responsibility).

One bad guy is bad enough. Multiple bad guys really cut down on his options.
 
"He drinks heavily on weekends." In my opinion that means he HAS A DRINKING PROBLEM.
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He's a college student and pays his $1,000 rent, tuition, and car payments by himself. There is no help from daddy. So it's not like he has a "problem" in the typical use of the term. He's just in a phase where he likes to party on weekends. I'm sure most of us here went through it. But ya firearms and booze is a problem.
 
I suppose your friend would have to make a decision then. Drugs , alcohol and partying with a chance of getting locked in a bathroom while and unkown # of criminals pull a train on his girl or sober up a little get some training, most you could probably get for free at local gun range by just people standing around shootin the s**t. And then have the ability to make unkown # of criminals push up daisies when they try and from the sounds of it try they will to rape girlfriend and hurt him and others.


CCW, handgun, with lots of ammo in one mag, Springfield XD .45acp 13 rounds in one mag. And a little one gun bedside gunsafe mounted to the wall. And some practice.

230 grains will definately give criminals an opinion.

All this would probably be below a thousnad $ atleast my XD and little one gun beside safe and enough ammo and targets to get used to the gun and accurate with it was about that.

Whats the price for safety though right.
 
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Drinking heavily on weekends and having a few drinks with friends on weekends are quite different statements. I think he should cut back on his drinking, after all it not only makes him unsafe in operating a firearm but it also gives the bad guy an advantage since your reflexes and thought process is skewed.

When he does "have a few drinks with his friends on weekends" I don't see a problem if it is kept locked and only kept loaded and at the ready when he is not surrounded by friend and is sober.

I don't think bad guys want to commit crimes with so many people around like are at an average college party IMO
 
Well then he can either make a lifestyle change and live through his college years or he can be a victim. Its about that simple if he is that concerned then he would already know what to do.

Not to mention the criminals you are talking about are armed with guns atleast according to the 10news they are armed with pistols.
 
Ah, just like I mentioned in another thread. You can still own and use guns in some cases, or learn to fight, but other than that self-defense is outlawed! :uhoh:

Either see if he can get a "OC Permit" from the "People's Republic" :rolleyes: (not the most effective option) or some other "permit" to use another sort of less-lethal weapon.

...or see if he's willing to take on the RESPONSIBILITY of gun ownership. IMO, that would mean ideally giving up the "party" lifestyle. Well...actually it's not so much a worry about HIM as the room-mates since you imply they party harder than HE does.

Guns+Alcohol = Bad juju waiting to happen.

Still.....

IF and ONLY IF he could be trusted to ALWAYS keep the gun locked away when alcohol was around the house...it COULD work.

Note though that if a lot of partying goes on AT the house...and he ever has to use the gun in a defensive manner (provided he can even get to it - remember what I said about locking it up while the booze flows?)...I don't think it will look too good in court.

I think the best advice I have is to move to someplace quieter, and/or find some "mellower" roomies! ;) Especially since there's also the "gun fear factor" going on with him too...
 
Seems to me that if it were me, I would stay stone cold sober in that neighborhood. Everybody makes their own decisions and lives (or maybe dies) with them.
 
The proper tool would be a handgun in an quick-access lockbox.

However, the tool is a small part of the whole scene. Taking proper security measures and making smart choices can help lessen your exposure to crime.

Encounter #1: would need more info. How many guys vs. how many criminals. How armed? If four guys got herded into a bathroom by two twits with knives, I'd say it's a "unwillingness to cope" that allowed this crime to happen. If two guys got herded by four criminals with guns, I'd say it's a tactical planning issue, and also a pretty major fluke. Hot burglary and sexual assault by heavily armed gangs doesn't seem too common, though of course horrible when it does happen. Major: did the occupants of the house do anything to make their house harder to break into, or did the criminals just waltz through the unlocked front door?

Encounter #2: He's okay, right? Losing a wallet isn't the worst thing in the world. Mostly solved by travelling in groups, keeping situational awareness, and willingness to use discretion rather than machismo if caught unawares.

Encounter #3: Not at all gun-related, it's a terribly idea to come running out into the street to face armed oponents, just to prevent car theft. More of an issue of parking in a place with better lighting, or convincing the landlord to install better lighting.

-MV
 
Sorry, no 10+ round mags in california, and good luck getting a CCW license in San Diego!

Tell your friend to lay off the sauce and get a hangun. Keep it away from the roommates, too. He can always carry around the house.
 
Nice site xavier

Here is the criminal stats for SDSU up to 2003 - 2005


http://www.ope.ed.gov/security/InstIdCrime.asp?CRITERIA=C

Looks to be getting better but this is for the campus itself, the area in which these other incidents took place is different from the campus I believe.

Residents in the area are complaining about "POLICE" presence and there is not enough cops in the area but they dont understand cops cant be everywhere.
 
He's on a lease so he's not moving anytime soon.
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Generally a gang rape and other crimes in the neighborhood is enough to get him out of his lease (if it gets sticky, an attorney worth his salt should be able to get him out of it).

Of course that brings up the problem of him being able to find another place in SD that he can afford thats not in just as bad a neighborhood (and that isn't a 2 hour commute to class).


If he's not willing to give up his "Lost College Party Years" (so he can get a gun) I'd recommend he learn not to live in condition white ... that will take care of 90% of the problem.

In addition, make sure there's good locks on the doors and windows ... make sure his roommates aren't idiots ... make sure to have a plan if things go rodeo and make sure he has some sort of non firearm weapon (a baseball bat is nice for this). Other than that, there's not much he can do.
 
Just a couple of things:

1. Mission Beach is FAR from a decent neighborhood. It is in one of the sketchier parts of town, but in the sense of lots of drunk college kids and beachcombers, rather than an urban ghetto. The high rent is a function of it's proximity to the beach, not the quality of the neighborhood.

2. Mission Beach has a high crime rate, and most of the buildings are just barely post-war (1950's). Breaking into one isn't exactly rocket science and I've seen VERY few with any kind of decent door.

3. The neighborhood isn't even remotely close to campus. It's a minimum 30 minute drive to either of the two major universities here. There are safer and cheaper neighborhoods closer to his school.

To sum up, he's living in a relatively crummy neighborhood with high rent, far from his school because he wants to party on the weekends at the beach. There are LOTS of break-ins in this neighborhood and lots of sexual assaults (women in bikinis at the beach at all hours, and many of them young coeds), his roommates are probably a security risk, in that they are frequently drunk/partying, and the side-streets and alleys are very cramped, providing lots of cover/concealment and easy escape routes for potential BGs.

I can think of very few living arangements that would be less safe in SD, short of living with crack dealers in City Heights or Skyline. Your friend needs to move and stop drinking so much on the weekends. If he's gonna get a gun, he needs to get a gun safe and NO BOOZE. I've had way too many close calls in the beach areas of SD to even consider living there again (family had a home there when I was small).
 
A quick access safe of the electronic keypad type would solve his
(un)authorized access troubles, so long as he does not cave to pier pressure when the guys get to drinking. You know... "So lets see the gun, Dude! C'mon, it's not like I'm gonna shoot someone..."
California is a bit 'tarded when it comes to guns though. It's worse than up in the Great White North!
 
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