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A talk with a man who defended himself with a firearm.

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  1. traveler106

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    Please try to ignore the prose in this article. I know that it's terrible and annoying, but that's not my point.

    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/OAKLAND-Man-killed-in-attempt-at-robbery-2563908.php#next

    I just had the somewhat random privilege of meeting Mr. Catarino Piedra, the man who stopped the assailant. I ordered a pizza from his restaurant and he happened to deliver it. Not knowing who he was, I mentioned that I had read the article in passing (most pizza places won't deliver to my neighborhood because I live in a dangerous neighborhood), and he told me who he was.

    It was a great conversation! We talked about what had happened. He told me that he first shot to wound. He had aimed for and hit the leg, but the guy kept coming and started to overtake him. He said that he grabbed and blocked the hammer in the firing mechanism, then fired again for the chest.

    He did not want to kill the assailant, but it happened. He told me that when his friends later asked him about how he felt about killing that guy, he responded that he didn't kill the assailant. The assailant killed himself.

    He told me that he feels no joy about what happened that night, but he also feels no doubt. He believes that he did the right thing and I agree with him.

    What happened that night was a terrible tragedy. Mr. Piedra wishes that it hadn't happened. He's not happy that someone died that night, but, he did what he had to do, and he moved on.

    On a side note, I suggested that we hit up the range in San Leandro and he liked the idea, saying that his son wants to go, too. I might have found a new shooting buddy.
     
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    Good for the store owner, Mr. Piedra.

    But it is hard to ignore the rest of the article.
    That's officialese for "be a good victim."

    :barf: X2

    Tinpig
     
  3. traveler106

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    Yeah, well, there are fatal shootings almost every week here in Oakland, and most of them happen a few blocks away from my house.

    The sheriff's office here refuses to issue carry permits.

    Another thing Mr. Piedra said was that if a police officer catches him carrying his gun, he'll go to jail for a short time, and then he'll get out. If a criminal catches him without his gun, the consequences could be far more dire.
     
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    The article did make me want to vomit. What was clearly a good shoot by a good citizen is being treated as "a tragedy for the community" with "two families devastated"
     
  5. GLOOB

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    ^Sadly, there's not enough time in the day to care. If that makes you sick, anymore, you would have to live life with your eyes and ears closed to get through the day while keeping your lunch down.

    The curious thing about this story was that he purposely shot the robber in the leg. I can't imagine shooting for the leg when the robber is holding a gun and is standing within 10 or 20 feet from me or my loved ones.

    And that OP randomly met him because he ordered a pizza and chatted up the delivery guy about the shooting. What a coincidence!
     
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  6. RustyShackelford

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    Budget cuts....

    Next, the Oakland CA police department will ask residents to carry their own stick of chalk to draw around their dead bodies at crime scenes. :rolleyes:
    That would be a big help, too.


    Rusty
    PS; my city's metro PD(approx 900 sworn officers) had a stint after the Zimmerman/Martin incident(Feb/2012) where the espoused; Dont provoke, don't pursue. :confused:
    This "logic" makes no sense & by early 2013 it was off the crime prevention section of the police website.
     
  7. Gottahaveone

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    Ain't no telling why that shooting occurred??!!?? Really? How about it occurred because the idiot walked into a business carrying a firearm and announced "This is a holdup"...

    But I guess it's not PC to hold people responsible for their own actions. :cuss:
     
  8. ridgerunner1965

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    the pizza owner did way more than i wud of done. instead of shooting him in the leg i would of shot him in the eye rite off.

    he actually gave the guy a way out. limp out of here and yu will live! keep advanceing on me and you will die. he chose the latter.

    to be honest after sumone shoots me im prob gonna slink off into the woods. especially if i caused it.

    bad choices will effect your life all your life.
     
  9. TomJ
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    A police officer telling us not to defend ourselves, but to be good witnesses and report takers, a career criminal who beat his girlfriend being called a "good person" by the girl be beat and other store owners saying you're inviting trouble by having a gun to defend yourself (I think trouble, in this case, walked in the door uninvited). I'm left scratching my head.

    I'm thankful the tore owner's okay.
     
  10. skoro

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    Right on target.

    Self defense is a personal responsibility. The police will fill out a report, notify family, and maybe someday make an arrest.

    Or not.
     
  11. jrdolall

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    It always amazes me how these criminals are identified as "good people". Of course they were good people at some time. Trayvon was good as a 12 year old. The Ferguson MO "Victim" was good at family Christmas parties.
    At what point do we need to understand that "good people" can turn bad? If you walk into a pizza joint with a gun and announce a holdup then you have crossed the line between good and bad. I don't care if the child support is due or the baby needs diapers or the cell phone bill is due. You have done a bad thing and take the chance that something bad will happen to you.
     
  12. RustyShackelford

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    The Yankee Marshal....

    Online gun channel personality; The Yankee Marshal who says he's a ex-cop & veteran(unknown service branch) recently said; "today's police are mostly reactionary, they don't prevent crime or protect people, they just file reports & investigate incidents after they happen". :rolleyes:

    I agree with TYM's remarks. Police officers or patrol deputies can't be everywhere all the time.
    In my metro area, I have 0 doubt that in a critical incident the LE response would be 25-45min away.
     
  13. NGIB

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    The average response time for a 911 call is 19 minutes. Will the bad guys wait 19 minutes before they do you harm?
     
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    230RN Bless you, Amy ! Be strong.

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    "take the law into their own hands"

    Ranks right up there with the stupidity of "This isn't the Wild West any more."

    When the Law isn't around, it is the Wild West.

    Or East. Or wherever.
     
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    A good friend had an issue last week with a guy knocking on her door asking her to let him in so they could talk at about 7 AM. When he didn't leave she called 911 and it took 19 minutes for them to show up. Naturally he was gone by then. She lives in town maybe 3 minutes from the police station.
    That is not cop bashing but reality. If you are counting on 911 to help you in a true emergency then you are screwed. Unless we want a patrol cop on every corner of every intersection in America then this is reality.
     
  16. gspn

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    I'm very glad that guy and his family are OK.

    Everything in that article after the shooting is plumb crazy. Cops saying "But by no stretch of the imagination are we agreeing with or justifying what the owner did." Then going on to say that people should be good victims rather than defend themselves (he said he prefers people to be good witnesses but materially they are the same in this case).

    An ex-girlfriend who was beaten in the face and kicked in the stomach who insists he's a "good person". What do you have to do in her view to be a "bad person"?

    A friend who says he has "no idea" why the shooting happened...even though it's obvious.

    And another entrepreneur who says of shop owners "Of course they have a right to protect themselves, but from what? If we have law enforcement, should (businesses) have guns? I don't think so. They're inviting trouble."

    That place is looney toons...straight up living in another world. I'm glad I don't live in that place.
     
  17. Mainsail

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    I got lost in all the personal pronouns. The bad guy tried to block the good guy's hammer, or the other way around?

    Either way, it sounds like he's dealing with it as well as could be expected.

    When the robber or rapist commits himself or herself to the crime, the possibility that they won't come home is a very real possibility.
     
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