It's official....AWB is DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Their was a lot of confussion over what day the ban ends. www.awbansunset.com got to the bottom of it and found out that it dies midnight sept 12th. Two days, 22 hours from now.

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edit: here is a post by the owner of AWBsunset.com
Actually, it would be the 12th and 13th. Again, I think the wording of the law is very clear. The fact that the restrictions of the ban did not take effect until the 14th is irrelevant... the ban specifically states that the it is repealed effective the date that is 10 years after the date of enactment.

So, once again...

Date of enactment = 9/13/94
Ban repealed effective on date 10 years after date of enactment = 9/13/04
9/12/04 will be the last day the ban is in effect

Sorry to keep repeating this... but it seems like everyone is saying the 14th without reading the provision carefully. It clearly indicates the 13th. Of course, I wouldn't be totally surprised if the ATF "interprets" it to be the 14th, but if they do, they'll be wrong.

--Mike
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and this post
I was considering the ban as expiring on the 13th, and if that was true, it would be like my car tags expiring on the last day of the month. Even though that was the date of their expiration, they would be valid all day long.

After rereading the text of the law, however, it clearly says repealed, not expired. It's a subtle difference that some people may not yet be grasping. If the ban was set to expire on the 13th, it would be in effect all day long, but it's not. It's set to be repealed effective on the 13th, which means that once the clock strikes 00:00:00 on the 13th, the ban is kaput.

So I agree with you and the others - the last day that the ban is in effect is the 12th.
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Both where found in this thread.

http://www.mikecaswell.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=3212
 
http://www.awbansunset.com/

9/9/04: Second Amendment Foundation Condemns ABC News Fraud in Report on Sunset of 'Assault Weapons' Law, from yahoo.com/US Newswire.

The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) today called on ABC News anchor Peter Jennings and correspondent Bill Redeker to admit the network distorted fact during a report on the end of the so-called "assault weapons" ban that aired Wednesday evening, Sept. 8.

During that segment, video footage from the North Hollywood bank robbery shootout in March 1997 showed the robbers firing full-automatic weapons, suggesting that this type of firearm will be legal when the ban expires at midnight Sept. 13. These guns had been illegally modified, yet ABC News left the impression that such rifles will be available to the general public.

"Such firearms were illegal prior to the ban, and will be illegal after it sunsets, and ABC knows it," said SAF founder Alan Gottlieb. "ABC's research on this story was either incredibly poor or deliberately distorted. There is no other explanation. It's the same distorted reporting we saw in 1994, prior to the ban, in which the press faked footage in an attempt to portray ammunition from these guns as explosively lethal. Read more.
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Midnight of the 13th that is 12:00 Monday

Sen. Dianne Feinstein pleaded with President Bush on Wednesday to press Congress into renewing the 10-year-old ban on assault weapons and then blamed the National Rifle Association for orchestrating the ban's nearly certain expiration at midnight Monday.

The California Democrat, a major architect of the ban, charged that the NRA is withholding its endorsement of Bush for re-election until the ban expires to make sure he doesn't campaign for its renewal.

The NRA disputed Feinstein's charge, saying that its policy is to wait until after the political conventions to issue endorsements and that it often waits until October.

The ban's expiration will mean that U.S. manufacturers can make - and gun stores can sell - military-style rapid-fire weapons equipped with such devices as high-capacity ammunition magazines and flash suppressors that camouflage weapons fired in the dark.

"Flash suppressors for votes," Feinstein said. "That's what we are up against. It makes me sick to my stomach." Read more.
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another one for Midnight the 13th Monday

9/9/04: Efforts intensify to extend assault weapons ban, from newsday.com.

Flanked by law enforcement officials from across the country, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-Mineola) and New York Sen. Charles Schumer called on President George W. Bush yesterday to urge House Republican leaders to extend the assault weapons ban set to expire at midnight Monday.

"The president has a moral obligation to make the phone calls," McCarthy said. "The president should stand up for the police officers of this nation."

With only five days before the ban expires, Democrats, some Republicans and law enforcement officials have ramped up efforts to extend the 10-year-old ban on 19 assault-style semi-automatic weapons. Read more.
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midnight Monday seems to be more of a reoccuring theme than Midnight sunday the 12th.
from today friday you got 2 days till the ban thats saturday and sunday after sunday you go to T minus 23 hours 59 minutes 60 seconds then you got the 14th Tuesday.
 
11:59:59 is the last second of any given day. Thus, the AWB turns into a pumpkin at the stroke of Midnight between Sunday and Monday.

I usually hate Mondays, but in this case I will make an exception.
 
Pardon my ignorance, but I recall seeing several articles over the years saying that a reasonable handyman with a few tools could "fix" a legal gun and change it into a banned gun in about a hour. If this is actually true, what was the value of the AWB in the first place?

Is it possible that some politicians have figured out that the AWB was about as stupid as prohibition?

Most Democrats remember what happened to them after they passed the AWB, so I'd be very surprised if anyone wants to touch this subject any time in the next few decades.

Bob
 
Repealed on the 13th not the 14th

To the poster stating that it expires on the midnight of the 13th, basically the 14th. You are wrong. The ban is repealed 10 years after the date of enactment, Sept 13th, 1994. That means the law is repealed on the 13th of september, 2004. The 13th of september is Monday. That is the date that the law is repealed. The 13th begins at 1201 am, Monday. That is when it is repealed. Spoke with the ATF about it. The ban is repealed on the 13th


all clear
 
Read the Law!!!

This reminds me of when everyone was celebrating the new millenium on the 1st day of 2000, when, in reality, the new millenium began on the 1st day of 2001. Even the government participated in that dopy celebration. The news reports are getting it wrong. The ban is repealed 10 years after the DATE OF ENACTMENT, September 13th, 1994. That means the ban is repealed on the 13th of this month. That is Monday. Too bad the education system has failed so many.

medic out.
 
Who cares Im going out tomorrow (today actually) for a range clebration....one semi auto Bushie with a collapsible stock, 30 round LE mag, 14 1/2 inch bbl and flashhider.....got a sign on me back saying...hey...indict me!

The ban ends for us in Alaska at 8 pm out time..its midnight in Washington and the law expires!

And for the grand finale me and spiffy gonna torch off some bursts from the Colt Commado with a beta c mag...and if anybody gets froggy with me Ill rip a hundred off with one pull of the tirgger.....


WilditsooooooooooooooooooooooovvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrAlaska
 
Pardon my ignorance, but I recall seeing several articles over the years saying that a reasonable handyman with a few tools could "fix" a legal gun and change it into a banned gun in about a hour. If this is actually true, what was the value of the AWB in the first place?
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You're greatly overstating the complexity of the issue. I'm a poor handyman at best, and I could make such a change in less than 5 minutes. Wouldn't want to do a stretch in the stone hotel, so I'll wait a few days...

I have just had a conversation with a co-worker, describing, among other things, the ban as it applies to bayonet lugs. He was absolutely thunderstruck. Keep in mind, this is not a stupid person, but it's hard for an uninterested person to appreciate just how poorly crafted most gun-control legislation is. Let's all keep our fingers crossed that some new tragedy doesn't spur our solons to further exertions.
 
The law was poorly written, and I believe that the legislators that wrote it did not intend for it to actually sunset.
 
Voting for any Democrat for US House or Senate helps put the left-wing gun banning crazies in leadership positions of the committees. That is why I left the Democrat party, and why I have not voted for a single Democrat in the last two elections. Won't vote for any this election either. No more votes or support from me for the Dems until they learn to read the Constitution and support what it clearly says. When they call me for support I really give it to them too.
 
I'd say all our letter writing and phone calls paid off :D Almost makes me wish I 'd not sold my Glock (almost) just for the satisfaction picking up a regular capacity mag at a sane price.

Anyways, how about the patriot act next?
 
"Voting for any Democrat for US House or Senate helps put the left-wing gun banning crazies in leadership positions of the committees. That is why I left the Democrat party, and why I have not voted for a ...."

I'm certainly not supporting the Democrats, but didn't a lot of Republicans vote for the Ban as well?

Bob
 
I'm certainly not supporting the Democrats, but didn't a lot of Republicans vote for the Ban as well?
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Out of 51 Republicans in the Senate, 10 supported the ban (compared to 42 Democrats who supported it out of 49).

Luckily for us, even the same 10 who supported the ban also voted to make Sen. Bill Frist the Senate leader - and Sen. Frist used his power to block the ban. This is the difference between a pro-gun Democrat and an anti-gun Republican.

It is a small difference; but one worth noting.
 
The problem with voting for Democrats is that voting in a Democratic senator is effectively casting a vote for giving the Democratic party the power in the Senate and having a Democratic Senate Majority leader. So, you may get your Zell Miller in there, and that's great, but that's one vote for Tom Daschle too. And ol' Zell will be in the minority and not have much of a good impact

If you vote in a gun grabbing Republican instead, the majority of elected Republicans can minimize his/her damage since the majority power belongs to all Republicans, and you cast your vote for someone like Bill Frist. Making the anti-gun Republican fairly irrelevant.

Now, when it comes to President, I would consider voting for Zell since there's not that kind of second-level politics going on.
 
"Out of 51 Republicans in the Senate, 10 supported the ban (compared to 42 Democrats who supported it out of 49)....."

So 10 Republicans and 7 Democrats crossed the line to vote their conscience. It makes me think that party labels don't mean that much.

I'm a Republican, but I tend to look at all candidates very closely, and vote for the person, and not the party. I think a case can be made that both parties have their share of idiots, but neither party likes to admit it. Just a thought.

And given the effect on the gun grabbers after the vote, I seriously doubt that either party wants to touch this third rail for a long time. Works for me.

Bob
 
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