Hey fellas, with recent sights on the stockmarket, and being a hobbyist economist my self, things arent looking good. I believe im primed and ready to buy my first firearm juuuuust incase things get ugly with the market. Who needs looters running around stealing stuff anyways (read wiki on crash of 1929). I have been eyeing a particular shot gun; benelli supernova with pistol grip. I can grab it off abbleammo for 400$. What do you guys suggest for personal protection in the home (california)? And what do you make of my 1st choice?
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Welcome to THR deebix!
I would suggest that you spend some time on this forum, use the "Search" feature liberally to learn the basics first. Anything that you have questions about has likely been hashed & rehashed over dozens of times already here.
Now regarding your posting, No, I doubt that there will be any breakdown of society. Not that there was any historical wholesale rioting and lawlessness after the crash of 1929, in addition, we've had failed economies in the 1970's, stock market crash in 1990 and in 2000 and society didn't break down.
Now as a first gun, a pistolgrip shotgun is a bad idea, unless you want to look like a movie gangster. Get a shottie with a real full-length stock so you can control the dang thing. Next, go take some lessons so you'll know how to shoot it. Please search in the Shotguns forum for discussions on "pistol grip shotguns".
If you do want a shotgun, I'd recommend a pump action such as the Remington 870 (full stock) because it is reliable. Reliable is what you want when you are choosing tools to save your life with.
I would suggest that you spend some time on this forum, use the "Search" feature liberally to learn the basics first. Anything that you have questions about has likely been hashed & rehashed over dozens of times already here.
Now regarding your posting, No, I doubt that there will be any breakdown of society. Not that there was any historical wholesale rioting and lawlessness after the crash of 1929, in addition, we've had failed economies in the 1970's, stock market crash in 1990 and in 2000 and society didn't break down.
Now as a first gun, a pistolgrip shotgun is a bad idea, unless you want to look like a movie gangster. Get a shottie with a real full-length stock so you can control the dang thing. Next, go take some lessons so you'll know how to shoot it. Please search in the Shotguns forum for discussions on "pistol grip shotguns".
If you do want a shotgun, I'd recommend a pump action such as the Remington 870 (full stock) because it is reliable. Reliable is what you want when you are choosing tools to save your life with.
Mandirigma
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Take her for a spin at a local gun range and see how you like the pistol grip. Its a preference thing, but I prefer a stock on a shotgun.
Also, don't know what experience a shooter you are, but check out www.corneredcat.com It is by one of the members/mod, Pax. It is geared towards women, but plenty of great referesher material.
Also, don't know what experience a shooter you are, but check out www.corneredcat.com It is by one of the members/mod, Pax. It is geared towards women, but plenty of great referesher material.
bass806
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Welcome, the Benelli would make an excellent home protection gun. When you say pistol grip, I trust you mean the pistol gripped shoulder stock that is factory? This will help somewhat with recoil and controllability. I have one and it's a great gun for the money. I would use low recoil buckshot rounds in it though. Again, welcome.
TexasRifleman
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I think that's a bit more than just in case, I'm spreading out of the market myself.
Not sure if it will kick off the looters, but any excuse is a good excuse to buy a gun
And welcome to THR
Shotgun considerations
I agree with the Rem 870 pump action recommendation. Manually operated guns can function with reduced loads and are faster for a manual load of a slug for distant targets if the tube isn't topped off. Just insert a slug into the tube and rack the slide to chamber the slug. Doing that with a Benelli takes a little more manipulation. If you must have a semi-auto shotgun, the Tromix Saiga upgrades are worth considering.
I agree with the Rem 870 pump action recommendation. Manually operated guns can function with reduced loads and are faster for a manual load of a slug for distant targets if the tube isn't topped off. Just insert a slug into the tube and rack the slide to chamber the slug. Doing that with a Benelli takes a little more manipulation. If you must have a semi-auto shotgun, the Tromix Saiga upgrades are worth considering.
geekWithA.45
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By all means, use the search.
N00bs are massively encouraged to get some hands on training, because -having- a gun is only 1/10 of the matter.
I am a heretic. This means I do not hold with the orthodox advice of "shotgun or six shooter for n00b".
I recommend pistol (or .223 ) caliber autoloading carbines for home defense. (CA has so many autoloader restrictions that might be a problem for you though)
The rationale is that it's simply easier to obtain the rapid hits you need to prevail in a conflict.
N00bs are massively encouraged to get some hands on training, because -having- a gun is only 1/10 of the matter.
I am a heretic. This means I do not hold with the orthodox advice of "shotgun or six shooter for n00b".
I recommend pistol (or .223 ) caliber autoloading carbines for home defense. (CA has so many autoloader restrictions that might be a problem for you though)
The rationale is that it's simply easier to obtain the rapid hits you need to prevail in a conflict.
Tommygunn
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If you're interested in self-defense, then a shotgun or other defense weapon is an excellent consideration.
But don't let the market concerns cause you to get myopia. The stock market is always a bit tender at this time of year. A lot of psychology is involved and when some "bad news" comes out the whoosies cash out quickly and run like lemmings ... only to provide a seemingly fertile ground for more people to invest as they see the market going back up. The market is not for pansies, whoosies, lemmings, blissninnies, and the weak of heart.
If you invest do so for the long term and ride the waves .... and DO NOT put everything in one company. It's called a portfolio for a reason. Go to a company like Morgan Stanley or a similar company and get an advisor, if you must. You can do it yourself too but keep abreast of the market and where YOUR INVESTMENTS are going.
The biggest chance is if you need a gun to defend yourself the stock market will be a totally irrelevant concern.
During 9/11 the markets were closed for the rest of the week. It hurt them, but not really enough to bail, but to make the market an attractive place to invest for smart gutsy types.
But don't let the market concerns cause you to get myopia. The stock market is always a bit tender at this time of year. A lot of psychology is involved and when some "bad news" comes out the whoosies cash out quickly and run like lemmings ... only to provide a seemingly fertile ground for more people to invest as they see the market going back up. The market is not for pansies, whoosies, lemmings, blissninnies, and the weak of heart.
If you invest do so for the long term and ride the waves .... and DO NOT put everything in one company. It's called a portfolio for a reason. Go to a company like Morgan Stanley or a similar company and get an advisor, if you must. You can do it yourself too but keep abreast of the market and where YOUR INVESTMENTS are going.
The biggest chance is if you need a gun to defend yourself the stock market will be a totally irrelevant concern.
During 9/11 the markets were closed for the rest of the week. It hurt them, but not really enough to bail, but to make the market an attractive place to invest for smart gutsy types.
dasmi
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Any gun is better than no gun. Find one you shoot well, and buy it. And welcome to THR!
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Get a WASR-10 .. I prefer mine for a SHTF situation
bl4ckd0g
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The Benelli Supernova is a badass shotgun. If you've just been scoping it out online, I suggest taking a simple tactical shotgun class and renting a few shotties before making your decision. You just might change your mind. I also had a Benelli pump action, but I've since traded it in on a Saiga 12, which will be professionally converted over the next few weeks.
I seriously doubt that we will experience the same type of crash as in 1929 since the current stock market is much more sophisticated and our current ecomony now has more built-in protection measures. Also,
I foresee a slow decline in certain regional areas and markets (real estate) moreso than a sudden crunch which leads to bedlam. Consider this more of a slow-moving market correction rather than a crash if it continues. We are also moving into the slower season for the stock market- which could stagnate a bit until springtime.
I seriously doubt that we will experience the same type of crash as in 1929 since the current stock market is much more sophisticated and our current ecomony now has more built-in protection measures. Also,
I foresee a slow decline in certain regional areas and markets (real estate) moreso than a sudden crunch which leads to bedlam. Consider this more of a slow-moving market correction rather than a crash if it continues. We are also moving into the slower season for the stock market- which could stagnate a bit until springtime.
B. Adams
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I considered a pistol-gripped Supernova a while ago too. In the end, I found that I didn't particularly care for a pistol-gripped shotgun, and bought a Winchester Defender instead. It has a standard stock and a factory 7-round magazine tube.
If I were you, I would go for something with a traditional stock, and something you can buy reasonably priced factory and aftermarket accessories for. That pretty much eliminates Benelli.
The benelli recoil pad is built like a hockey puck, and that will only be more apparent with a pistol grip. A replacement Benelli pad will run you at least $80.
I just bought a Limbsaver pad for my dad's/brother's Supernova at Sportsman's Warehouse, but it was more expensive than the rest. I'm not sure how well it works; we're putting it on this weekend.
It's also impossible to get a factory magazine tube extension. There are aftermarket extensions available, but I've never tried them.
I've heard that soldiers and police prefer a standard stock on their shotguns, partly because they shoulder more naturally, and also because it's easier to handle in a quick transition to hand-to-hand combat. I tried 3 different pistol grips on my shotguns, and I couldn't find a single one I liked.
I have nothing against Benelli or Supernovas, I bought one for my dad last Christmas and we use it a lot. Probably half the guns in our pheasant hunting group this weekend will be Benellis. But for a defense shotgun, I like my Winchester Defender. I got both of mine for under $200. In your position, I would also take a strong look at a new Remington 870 Police shotgun, or maybe a used 870 Wingmaster Police Shotgun. Even an 870 Express, with the factory magazine extension, would be an excellent choice.
And whatever you decide to buy, be sure to shoot it regularly.
If I were you, I would go for something with a traditional stock, and something you can buy reasonably priced factory and aftermarket accessories for. That pretty much eliminates Benelli.
The benelli recoil pad is built like a hockey puck, and that will only be more apparent with a pistol grip. A replacement Benelli pad will run you at least $80.
I just bought a Limbsaver pad for my dad's/brother's Supernova at Sportsman's Warehouse, but it was more expensive than the rest. I'm not sure how well it works; we're putting it on this weekend.It's also impossible to get a factory magazine tube extension. There are aftermarket extensions available, but I've never tried them.
I've heard that soldiers and police prefer a standard stock on their shotguns, partly because they shoulder more naturally, and also because it's easier to handle in a quick transition to hand-to-hand combat. I tried 3 different pistol grips on my shotguns, and I couldn't find a single one I liked.
I have nothing against Benelli or Supernovas, I bought one for my dad last Christmas and we use it a lot. Probably half the guns in our pheasant hunting group this weekend will be Benellis. But for a defense shotgun, I like my Winchester Defender. I got both of mine for under $200. In your position, I would also take a strong look at a new Remington 870 Police shotgun, or maybe a used 870 Wingmaster Police Shotgun. Even an 870 Express, with the factory magazine extension, would be an excellent choice.
And whatever you decide to buy, be sure to shoot it regularly.
Deebix -
Depending on where in CA you live, another weapon may or may not be a better choice, but no matter where you live, it's VITAL
let me repeat VITAL
that you know how to use it in the location(s) and circumstances you expect to need it. Do you expect to need it to hunt with when you can't go to the store? You should get some hunter's experience/training. Do you expect to need it to clear your house of robbers? You should get some self defense oriented training. Any other mission specific training will only increase your odds of using the tool correctly, especially when you won't have time to think about it.
Whatever gun you get, get instruction in how to make the best use of it in the circumstances you will likely need it. That will ensure that you get the most for your money.
Depending on where in CA you live, another weapon may or may not be a better choice, but no matter where you live, it's VITAL
let me repeat VITAL
that you know how to use it in the location(s) and circumstances you expect to need it. Do you expect to need it to hunt with when you can't go to the store? You should get some hunter's experience/training. Do you expect to need it to clear your house of robbers? You should get some self defense oriented training. Any other mission specific training will only increase your odds of using the tool correctly, especially when you won't have time to think about it.
Whatever gun you get, get instruction in how to make the best use of it in the circumstances you will likely need it. That will ensure that you get the most for your money.
ACP230
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If you really figure things might get ugly buy a used pump for half the price and a whole lot of ammo.
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deebix,
Welcome to THR.
I am not familiar with your laws, and regulations.
Nor am I familiar with, and being honest, none of my business of your experience with firearms or skill level.
Don't matter, I suggest this all folks.
Do. Not. Buy. A Shotgun.
Any long gun - yet.
Get with some seasoned shooters, and shoot a variety of firearms to see what you shoot best, and in your budget.
Quality, trumps price, and quality trumps hyped names, features, accessories and the like.
Shotguns.
I have slapped trigger on a shotgun a time or two.
NEVER learn with a crutch.
I do not do Pistol Grip Only, or Pistol Grip with a full stock, with a new student.
The only exceptions are those issued such shotgun.
Learn with a bone stock shotgun, gun fit, correct basic fundamentals, and all.
Then...and only then, add something a seasoned person suggest for YOU and YOUR environment, such as Awerbuck would do.
FWIW, too many folks have used, and still have for use, Bone Stock 870, 1300, 1100s Beretta 303, 390,...
Lever Action 30-30's
Model 70's
A NIB Express Combo, with wood stock is a great buy.
Wood lessens felt recoil being denser, gun fit can be fitted and recoil pad can be fitted.
Synthestic is hollow, increased felt recoil for some and fitting the stock for drop, LOP, Pitch, cast on, cast off ...is real hard to do.
Lever guns and bolt guns get fitted to shooter and Pachmyer Decelerator recoil pad, the only recoil pad as well.
There is nothing wrong with finding what fits best as can, borrowing this gun, taking a class like Awerbucks, and then making a purchase.
Actually quite wise to do so.
s
Welcome to THR.
I am not familiar with your laws, and regulations.
Nor am I familiar with, and being honest, none of my business of your experience with firearms or skill level.
Don't matter, I suggest this all folks.
Do. Not. Buy. A Shotgun.
Any long gun - yet.
Get with some seasoned shooters, and shoot a variety of firearms to see what you shoot best, and in your budget.
Quality, trumps price, and quality trumps hyped names, features, accessories and the like.
Shotguns.
I have slapped trigger on a shotgun a time or two.
NEVER learn with a crutch.
I do not do Pistol Grip Only, or Pistol Grip with a full stock, with a new student.
The only exceptions are those issued such shotgun.
Learn with a bone stock shotgun, gun fit, correct basic fundamentals, and all.
Then...and only then, add something a seasoned person suggest for YOU and YOUR environment, such as Awerbuck would do.
FWIW, too many folks have used, and still have for use, Bone Stock 870, 1300, 1100s Beretta 303, 390,...
Lever Action 30-30's
Model 70's
A NIB Express Combo, with wood stock is a great buy.
Wood lessens felt recoil being denser, gun fit can be fitted and recoil pad can be fitted.
Synthestic is hollow, increased felt recoil for some and fitting the stock for drop, LOP, Pitch, cast on, cast off ...is real hard to do.
Lever guns and bolt guns get fitted to shooter and Pachmyer Decelerator recoil pad, the only recoil pad as well.
There is nothing wrong with finding what fits best as can, borrowing this gun, taking a class like Awerbucks, and then making a purchase.
Actually quite wise to do so.
s
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