Treo
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QUOTE: "you could grunt, then answer him in Japanese and tell him, "Because water is wet and the sky is blue."
What if the officer happens to be fluent in Japanese
What if the officer happens to be fluent in Japanese
I've been informed when I go to get my permit, the guy doing the printing asks "why?"
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Well Treo, at that point I would probably just do without as I always have..after all, I was born in a free country. Or, I could lift my left foot off the floor and cut one. I know, I know...you're gonna say, "But what if they they arrest you for gassing a municipal building without a permit???". Well, they won't because I would never go there in the first place. 
revjen45
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Breaking wind in a public building is a Federal offense. It is a terrorist act. Try treating the other passengers on an airplane to the digestive results of a can of Ranch Style Beans and maybe some cooked cabbage. The FBI will be waiting when you land. 
Funderb
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I voted "cop" because "It seemed like a good idea at the time", from magnificent seven, and my answer to every why, is not listed.
Treo
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I'm kidding blackbird
this thread has bothered me from the start. Seems like alot of cop bashing, and especially since I went through the whole Process in the same city as the OP with out a hitch. So I went to a local gun shop where a Suffolk police officer works on his off time and asked what gives. His responce was maybe the OP is over reacting to a simple question or maybe not. There are two ways to ask a question there is the just plain friendly question of why do you want to......? then there is the rough in the voice accusitory why do you want to.......? So a question to the op How was a question asked was it just out of curiousity or was it accusitory? Also the Suffolk officer said that more and more of the local bad guys are getting ccw permits(prior to getting caught doing a crime) my next question is were you dressed like a thug drug dealer? The guy I talked to was willing to bet that it was just a friendly question and you took it the wrong way.
After all there is nothing wrong with asking a question right?
After all there is nothing wrong with asking a question right?
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My response would be: "I don't want this permit. If this were Vermont, I wouldn't need it."
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icebones
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because, officer, you cannot be everywhere at once...
SaltH2OHokie
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Re-read my posts Eric.
First, I wasn't asked...a friend was and relayed it to me.
Second, I wasn't worried about it and tried to convey that numerous times, I just thought it was good tinder for conversation.
Third, I've got two friends on the Suffolk police force and one on the Newport News police...have no problem with cops. I'm a groomsman in a cop's wedding in May...
If this thread bothered you, I'm sorry...some folks seemed to respond to a slightly different situation than I was trying to portray and that might be what got you riled up, but I wasn't trying to bash cops nor was I really too worried about the conversation.
As a funny aside though, since you're from Suffolk and know the quality of people you may find in a given situation...I called Central Records Unit to ask on behalf of a friend if Suffolk would accept his hunting license as proof of education for the CHP. The lady's response was in a very confused tone and went something like: "No, you can't use a hunting license to carry a handgun, those are two different things. You use a hunting license to hunt deer and stuff, not to hide a gun"
First, I wasn't asked...a friend was and relayed it to me.
Second, I wasn't worried about it and tried to convey that numerous times, I just thought it was good tinder for conversation.
Third, I've got two friends on the Suffolk police force and one on the Newport News police...have no problem with cops. I'm a groomsman in a cop's wedding in May...
If this thread bothered you, I'm sorry...some folks seemed to respond to a slightly different situation than I was trying to portray and that might be what got you riled up, but I wasn't trying to bash cops nor was I really too worried about the conversation.
As a funny aside though, since you're from Suffolk and know the quality of people you may find in a given situation...I called Central Records Unit to ask on behalf of a friend if Suffolk would accept his hunting license as proof of education for the CHP. The lady's response was in a very confused tone and went something like: "No, you can't use a hunting license to carry a handgun, those are two different things. You use a hunting license to hunt deer and stuff, not to hide a gun"
bandur60
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I'm on my third permit (two renewals), and each time I've used the same wording; "I wish to provide for my own personal protection." Been handled by a different clerk each time, and each one has commented on its simplicity and accuracy. No concessions or preaching, no accusations or talking down to anyone, ... and no problem.
zxcvbob
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Just answer with a question, "Why does a dog lick himself?"
evan price
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"Because the voices in my head told me to..." (Extra points if you can do the wild eye rolling...)
elderboy02
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Because I am not strong enough to carry a cop around.
41magsnub
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I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL.
zxcvbob
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He'll probably jump up and down with you.
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There is one serious point I'd like to address.
The very act of asking the question is intrusive and is an effort to control.
What is this obsession with controlling people?
So, yes, there IS something wrong with asking a question.
"Well, if you have nothing to hide . . ."
Why is it assumed that anyone HAS something to hide? Assumed guilt?
Thing is, the plausible and ostensible reason for asking the question -- indeed, for having the permit in the first place -- is to "help keep bad guys from carrying guns."
Which already doesn't work. At all. Pretty much by definition.
Which leaves only the good guys, who will actually apply for a permit, to question in such a fashion. And such questioning will . . . ?
Annoy and discourage the good guys from getting permits by making it clear that we wonder about your sanity and your motives for doing something which is -- in the end -- the simple exercise of a right.
Why do you assume that a person with some authority has any business asking you "why" you want to do something?
I'm sure someone will note that a "permit" is clearly about obtaining permission, not exercising a right, and while that's true, let's look at something for a moment.
Cars -- hands down -- kill more people in a year in this country, and are used in more crimes, than guns.
Driving has been preempted by local and state governments as a "privilege" (I guess they didn't read the Ninth Amendment), and is therefore licensed (both the car and the driver) and taxed, and tested, and regulated to death. Which is fine, because it's a privilege, not a right.
And yet, when you go to get a driver's licence or to register your car, no one ever asks you WHY you want to do that.
Kills more people. Used in more crimes. Yet no one is curious to know why you want to do that or have one.
Exercise a constitutionally enshrined right? Perform an act that, statistically, is below all manner of other activities for hazard, death, and crime, and now everyone wants to know "why" you wanna do that.
Because, if they can establish that it's "odd" or somewhat "outside the norms" they can plausibly claim that, since few people do it, the ones doing it must be a little strange, so we should keep an eye on them.
The question reinforces the idea that there's something somehow "wrong" with what you're doing.
And that's an attempt to chill the exercise of a fundamental right.
Remember, if the ostensibly stated purpose for an activity isn't being served by the activity, and yet the activity continues and receives more funding and manpower and so on, then it can be reasonably derived that the actual purpose is not the stated purpose.
The question doesn't serve its presumed purpose.
Ain't no rocket surgery there.
There is one serious point I'd like to address.
Well, actually, yes, there is.
The very act of asking the question is intrusive and is an effort to control.
What is this obsession with controlling people?
So, yes, there IS something wrong with asking a question.
"Well, if you have nothing to hide . . ."
Why is it assumed that anyone HAS something to hide? Assumed guilt?
Thing is, the plausible and ostensible reason for asking the question -- indeed, for having the permit in the first place -- is to "help keep bad guys from carrying guns."
Which already doesn't work. At all. Pretty much by definition.
Which leaves only the good guys, who will actually apply for a permit, to question in such a fashion. And such questioning will . . . ?
Annoy and discourage the good guys from getting permits by making it clear that we wonder about your sanity and your motives for doing something which is -- in the end -- the simple exercise of a right.
Why do you assume that a person with some authority has any business asking you "why" you want to do something?
I'm sure someone will note that a "permit" is clearly about obtaining permission, not exercising a right, and while that's true, let's look at something for a moment.
Cars -- hands down -- kill more people in a year in this country, and are used in more crimes, than guns.
Driving has been preempted by local and state governments as a "privilege" (I guess they didn't read the Ninth Amendment), and is therefore licensed (both the car and the driver) and taxed, and tested, and regulated to death. Which is fine, because it's a privilege, not a right.
And yet, when you go to get a driver's licence or to register your car, no one ever asks you WHY you want to do that.
Kills more people. Used in more crimes. Yet no one is curious to know why you want to do that or have one.
Exercise a constitutionally enshrined right? Perform an act that, statistically, is below all manner of other activities for hazard, death, and crime, and now everyone wants to know "why" you wanna do that.
Because, if they can establish that it's "odd" or somewhat "outside the norms" they can plausibly claim that, since few people do it, the ones doing it must be a little strange, so we should keep an eye on them.
The question reinforces the idea that there's something somehow "wrong" with what you're doing.
And that's an attempt to chill the exercise of a fundamental right.
Remember, if the ostensibly stated purpose for an activity isn't being served by the activity, and yet the activity continues and receives more funding and manpower and so on, then it can be reasonably derived that the actual purpose is not the stated purpose.
The question doesn't serve its presumed purpose.
Ain't no rocket surgery there.
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"Because there are people in authority that sometimes ask inappropriate questions".
Wow! Would you be offended if walking out of a store and a police officer asked hey are you driving that 69 Impala SS? MAybe he just thinks its a neat ride. Same applies here the guy finger printing you asks So why do you want a ccw permit? is it any of his business in either case? not really but I would have seen it as a conversation peice. You already have nothing to hide as they already know why you are there. Its not like some guy asks you off the street if you are carring a gun. I really do not see the big deal with this. And even if the guy was asking this in a confrontational manner then answer accordingly with waht ever answer you want. Some questions are intrusive and if you feel that way then let the asker know. I have never felt antimidated or insulted by a (1) question. Infact I do get asked some personal questions from time to time and if it has no bearing on anything going on then I reply with a conversation ending statement of some sort. However if it is involving somthing going on then there may need to be conversation about it.
Are you going to go off the handle if you go get a building permit and the office issuing the permit asks "what are you going to build?"
Are you going to go off the handle if you go get a building permit and the office issuing the permit asks "what are you going to build?"
CNYCacher
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"Why are you applying for a permit?"
"Don't I need the permit to carry concealed?"
"Don't I need the permit to carry concealed?"
JohnMcD348
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I was asked by my local sherriff's deputy why when I was being printed and I told him that I felt compelled to take an active roll in teh protection of my life and teh life of my family if it should ever come to that. He didn't give any kind of smart remark. He did ask if I had any training and I told him of where I'd been , where I'd served and what I did with who, which he then remarked:" Well, it sounds like you've gotten the training part down. Guess you won't need us to take care of you." I then replied that I felt the LEO's in my community served a great purpose and I felt comfortable that when needed they would supply the service that they were bound by duty to provide. I finished it by saying, but let's be realistic and honest, When seconds can mean the difference betwenn life and death, you guys are still minutes away. It says plainly on your vehicles, to protect and serve, it's my duty as a husband and father to protect my family as best I can.
Then we talked for awhile about different types of firearms, pluses and minuses of differnt calibers and models, etc. It was never a confrontational moment. The LEOs in my area are pretty upstanding people. The bad apples don't last long in the local deartments.
Then we talked for awhile about different types of firearms, pluses and minuses of differnt calibers and models, etc. It was never a confrontational moment. The LEOs in my area are pretty upstanding people. The bad apples don't last long in the local deartments.
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