doubleh
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I watch very few youtube gun videos so I had never heard of this dude until just now. IMHO just another internet windbag.
James Yeager's latest .40 sucks video.
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At the time, 40s&w was better than 9mm. Roughly 27yrs of r&d later the 9mm can almost do anything the 40 can with less firearm failure. With that being said, I bought a used police trade-in Springfield XD40 and love it. At the prices they are selling at the 40 will be around for a long time.
As for Mr. Yeager, he gets off on being an abrasive (insert expletive here). It's kinda his thing.
As for Mr. Yeager, he gets off on being an abrasive (insert expletive here). It's kinda his thing.
The .40 S&W is a 9mm magnum. I like it 'cause it's more powerful than a Luger round and fits in the same gun frame, and I enjoy reloading the .40. Huge selection of bullet weights. The recoil is acceptable to me - I cut my teeth on .357 and .44 mags.
jeff-10
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40 S&W isn't going anywhere. Not sure why everyone thinks it will suddenly disappear. It is a great round and has always generated lots of hate for some reason.
MTMilitiaman
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Yeah. Round for round. I for sure have no problem with the .44 Mag. But I have way more power on tap with my Glock 20 than any .44 Mag. A .44 Mag will give you around 1200 ft/lbs but you only got six of them in a revolver, for a total of 7200 ft/lbs. Even from an 8+1 Desert Eagle, you're only swinging with 10800 ft/lbs. With the 10mm Auto in the Glock 20 you got 15+1, each getting 700 to 750 ft/lbs. Sixteen times 700 is 11200 ft/lbs. With the .460 and 500 S&W you're looking at 5 rounds each getting maybe up to just under 2900 ft/lbs for a total of ~14500 ft/lbs. Depending on the situation, capacity might not matter. I know banging steel at the range, sixteen rounds of 10mm is way more fun per fist-full than any .44 Mag I've shot. I, too, would love to get my hands on an X-Frame.
Glockula
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I bought a Glock 23 in 1999 on base in 29 Palms. This was at the height of the "weak 9mm" phase. I had just exited a duty station where we put 10s of thousands of 9mm rounds through a Berreta. I just wanted something different. My Glock has always been a little snappy but not uncontrollable. For the last 18 years it has been my go to home defense weapon and it will continue
As to the caliber debate, well, it just gets rediculous. I came to the conclusion long ago that the major handgun calibers, say 9mm, 38, 357mag, .40 and 45 all give relatively the same performance with premium ammunition. The skill of the shooter is much more important than whether the gun is 9mm or .40. That will give guns like .38 and 9mm the edge because they are cheaper to practice with.
As for the doofus in the video, people will believe anything if you YouTube it. He makes the gun culture look uneducated and aggressive in my opinion.
As to the caliber debate, well, it just gets rediculous. I came to the conclusion long ago that the major handgun calibers, say 9mm, 38, 357mag, .40 and 45 all give relatively the same performance with premium ammunition. The skill of the shooter is much more important than whether the gun is 9mm or .40. That will give guns like .38 and 9mm the edge because they are cheaper to practice with.
As for the doofus in the video, people will believe anything if you YouTube it. He makes the gun culture look uneducated and aggressive in my opinion.
Mr. Hill
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I like the .40. It seems to be a good bridge between the 9mm and the .45. And the 155 grainers are pretty hot, perhaps too hot for the video guy. But to each his own.
Me too. The 40 is great with some ammo like the Uw 40sw 155 XTP but also check out Winchester 40sw 180 Personal Protection. Shoots easy and 16" penetration.
I don't have a 9mm but my Glock G29 with the barrels can shoot the 40sw, 10mm and 9x25 Dillon. Maybe I should get the 357sig barrel too for the hell of it.
I also got the Wolff 21# non-captive recoil spring set because of the 9x25 but it handled the 40sw like a dream.
I don't have a 9mm but my Glock G29 with the barrels can shoot the 40sw, 10mm and 9x25 Dillon. Maybe I should get the 357sig barrel too for the hell of it.
I also got the Wolff 21# non-captive recoil spring set because of the 9x25 but it handled the 40sw like a dream.
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My FiL and I have each picked up a couple of 40 caliber police trade-ins in the past year or so. In fact, I think he bought three. They ranged in price from $179 (for a Berretta, no less) to $325. The most expensive was a Glock that looked to be NiB. They are all good shooters. I hope there are lots more videos out there like this. There are a couple more 40's out there we would each like to own. (Plus, he reloads and has literally a bucketful of brass.)
CraigC
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This has always been the most comical argument for the 10mm I have ever heard in my life. No one who hunts with a handgun, except the Kool Aid drinking Glock 10mm rabid fanboy, thinks this way. If foot pounds of energy is meaningless, which it is, then the cumulative total foot pounds of all rounds contained therein is even more meaningless. Unless you either plan on shooting the critter 16 times or missing a bunch. It is critical to make the first shot count and NOT rely on follow-up shot upon follow-up shot. It is an absurd concept.
Critters don't care about "fun per fistful".
MTMilitiaman
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You're apparently taking this too seriously, and completely out of context. I even acknowledged that it was mostly just for banging steel at the range. It has nothing to do with hunting and I never said it did. The one deer I shot with my G20 took two shots. First shot would have done the trick but the deer presented an opportunity to take out the other shoulder and I did so.
The entire conversation we were having was on fun at the range. You then step in ranting about critters. I never said anything about hunting. Context clues are your friend.
CraigC
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So all that crap about cumulative foot pounds was just tongue in cheek sarcasm? Alrighty then. Yes, context indeed. 
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DaisyCutter
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James Yeager isn't legit. He is highly committed to projecting a particular image, but he is not what he's projecting.
The 40SW is a fine cartridge. Bullet for bullet, it's a marginally better performer than 9mm. Just because the police are switching to 9mm in droves, does NOT mean the 9mm is the best.
Look at the body armor vests they supply cops with, are those the best?
It's a financial decision.
The 40SW is a fine cartridge. Bullet for bullet, it's a marginally better performer than 9mm. Just because the police are switching to 9mm in droves, does NOT mean the 9mm is the best.
Look at the body armor vests they supply cops with, are those the best?
It's a financial decision.
NMPOPS
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I agree Yeager ain't worth the time to watch and has no credibility. Nothing wrong with the 40 but it's also not really much better than the 9 and the 9 is cheaper for departments to buy and training is important and expensive.
As for vests my department issued us Level 3A vest made of Sprectra Shield which is thinner and lighter and stronger than Kevlar.
docbrown
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1. Yeager seems to like to hear himself talk. I seem to recall a video where he said the 1911 was garbage and jammed all the time, etc. Funny, I have owned a 1911 (wish I had never sold it) and it NEVER jammed on me the entire time I owned it. Friends with 1911's have had similar experiences. Use quality magazines with quality ammo and you won't have an issue.
2. Based partly on the above experience with Mr. Yeager's "expertise", I would not believe a thing he says and do not believe that the 40 is going anywhere any time soon.
3. Advances in bullet technology apply equally to 9MM and 40. That being said, the 40 should be as much more effective today as the 9MM due to this increased effectiveness of ammunition quality. The 40 is a highly effective cartridge and in a round for round comparison will cause more damage than the 9MM when comparable quality ammunition is used, along with more recoil and slightly less magazine capacity. That's just physics - a 155 Grain projectile at 1100 fps has more energy than a 124 Grain projectile at the same velocity.
Now that you have finished saying "thank you Captain Obvious", I will say that I still shoot 9MM and 357/38 special for the same reason the FBI and police are switching back to 9MM - it is simply cheaper for me to shoot. If I found a good deal on a 40 or even a 10MM, and had the money to spare, I would probably pick one up and a set of dies to load for it.
2. Based partly on the above experience with Mr. Yeager's "expertise", I would not believe a thing he says and do not believe that the 40 is going anywhere any time soon.
3. Advances in bullet technology apply equally to 9MM and 40. That being said, the 40 should be as much more effective today as the 9MM due to this increased effectiveness of ammunition quality. The 40 is a highly effective cartridge and in a round for round comparison will cause more damage than the 9MM when comparable quality ammunition is used, along with more recoil and slightly less magazine capacity. That's just physics - a 155 Grain projectile at 1100 fps has more energy than a 124 Grain projectile at the same velocity.
Now that you have finished saying "thank you Captain Obvious", I will say that I still shoot 9MM and 357/38 special for the same reason the FBI and police are switching back to 9MM - it is simply cheaper for me to shoot. If I found a good deal on a 40 or even a 10MM, and had the money to spare, I would probably pick one up and a set of dies to load for it.
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I take what I see on the Internet with a pound of salt. For firearms I find THIS forum to be the most helpful. YouTube is filled with people who fancy themselves as "Internet Personalities" and view that as their occupation and lifes calling.
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stchman
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I've been buying .40S&W ammo from folks off Armslist for around $8 a box.
docbrown
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That is a sweet deal! I am assuming you have to pay shipping?
I can reload 9MM for about $6.50 a box (it can be done for less if you want to cast your own bullets) and not pay shipping. There is simply more component cost to 40 vs 9MM. Primers are going to be the same, but it takes more powder and lead to load a 40 than a 9 (in general - I know there are some subsonic loads for 9MM that use 160 grain bullets, but I am talking standard, run of the mill, loads.) At any rate, 40 is not going anywhere any time soon and is a solid round. If I found a good deal on a slide, barrel and magazine for my CZ clone, I would get it just to have another caliber conversion for it.
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stchman
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No shipping, I deal locally.
A lot of folks I guess stocked up on 40 and now want to sell it, same with .22LR.
Trunk Monkey
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James Yeager does occasionally do a good video
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