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janet napolitano Obama pick for Homeland Security

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Lucky, Nov 29, 2008.

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  1. Lucky

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    Relevance to Firearms: As Gov of Arizona she vetos self-defence legislation that has majority support more than once, at least dealing with presentation of a firearm for SD and length of CCW permits.

    Relevance to Freedom: Willing to violate or work against 'the law' in order to achieve own purposes. Ex. In order to make Minutemen appear ineffective she pulled back the border patrol.

    Bad News: Sec. of Homeland Security has crazy power.

    Summation: She has crazy power, a history of pushing the limits or abusing power, and an axe to grind against basically what this forum represents.

    Good luck guys.
     
  2. JImbothefiveth

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    Oh joy, more change we can cough up! :barf:

    But, to keep it on topic, what are her powers exactly?
     
  3. Lucky

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    Imagine if your Department of Defence (I mean 'defense') had just one person who controlled it all, and reported to the President. Now instead of looking outward like the DOD, take that institution and have it focus inward. What the world is to your DOD, America is to the Dept. Homeland Security.
     
  4. Archie

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    The position is Secretary of Homeland Security. It is a cabinet level position, that is, the secretary is the somewhat director and somewhat coordinator of all the various agencies that comprise Homeland Security.

    Probably the best way to get the idea is simply call up www.dhs.gov and take a look. Most every agency dealing with the borders or actual interaction with foreign people, travel or trade is connected with, if not in, the Department of Homeland Security. It is a lot of agencies and people, and has a lot of authority.
     
  5. Balrog

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    I think that is a requirement for the job.
     
  6. Flyboy

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    Would referring to it as the "Department of Fatherland Security" be invoking Godwin?
     
  7. moi_self26

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    DOH! Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State and now this...... he's really trying to add insult to injury. I am really scared for the country that I know and love.
     
  8. 7.62X25mm

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    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ :neener:
     
  9. Dr. Peter Venkman

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    That is from her campaign in 2002. Lucky, where are you getting your information from?
     
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    Hey Dr. Venkman,
    Where can I get hooked up w/ one of those uber proton packs? ;)
     
  11. Diamondback6

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    Flyboy, I'm known to refer to 'em as Reichssicherheitministerium or neueStasi, the latter in reference to the East German Staatssicherheitsdienst, and even COMPNOR (reference to the Star Wars COMmision for the Preservation of the New ORder, which another THR'er named himself after). Color me cynical... if you lose on the Godwin point, at least you got company.
     
  12. Lucky

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    I can't find the direct link from Napolitano to Nicely, and it was quite a while ago, but in the thread on the subject here I think the AZ residents were not kind to Napolitano. Consider this, what kind of employee purposely does his job WORSE, and doesn't expect to be punished? The only kind I can think of is one who has been told by his boss specifically to do that job worse.

    http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/05/tancredo_calls.php




    http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?id=4078

    http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/126550

    Italicized the part which shows who she sides with.

    Also in article:
    http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/247283


    That took me a little while, and I don't have a horse in this race, except for the unfortunate pattern that whatever happens in Liberal US states is mimicked up here a short time later, as our use of California's AW laws illustrate.

    Could I ask you to provide more support to the opposing viewpoint, other than the word of a politician? Especially the politician who's the subject, being discredited as devious.
     
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    Hmm, but the Katrina confiscation prevention law did go into effect, and Napalitano did sign some pro gun legislation over the last few years. Not much, and usually only when faced with a veto proof majority. One interesting thing she did was name Ben Avery Shooting range one of the "jewels" of Arizona.
    A thing to keep in mind is she is a lifelong teacher, and believes many things are solved with all-day kindergarten. She waves with the highest wind. As DHS, she will have only one wind to bend to, that of BO.
     
  14. Dr. Peter Venkman

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    I am not arguing for or against what her viewpoints are, I was simply asking for more information, which you have provided.
     
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    WRT "Katrina protections" note that a similar law even passed in anti-gun California.
     
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    The Brady campaign loves her:

    Governor Napolitano did the logical thing, she let bar owners decide if they wanted state law to allow people to carry loaded, hidden guns into bars

    Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius and Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano, both of whom stood up to the gun lobby, were reelected.

    AS Homeland Security director, she would command:

    Immigration Control Enforcement (ICE)
    TSA
    US Customs
    Secret Service
    Coast Guard
    National Cyber Security Center
    Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
    Domestic Nuclear Detection Office
    US Citizenship and Immigration Services
    Nuclear Incident Response Team
    National Domestic Preparedness Office
     
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    Scared me for a second, I was thinking of Janet Reno.
     
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    I have family down there and from their comments there doesn't seem to be much difference.
     
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    Don't worry too much about Janet Napolitano. She's nowhere near as bad as some people make her sound. She passed most good gun-related bills, like allowing CCW in the first place. All the really important ones. She's not a major anti who vetoed anything that would increase gun owners' freedoms. She's fairly reserved.

    Do I like her? No. I think she's incompetent. Do I think she has a real agenda? No.
     
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    She may not be A+ by the NRA, but she sure is a shining star in comparison to her future colleagues.
     
  21. Thin Black Line

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    What's next? Obama appointing an anti-gun politician who plunges a knife
    into a table and screams "DEAD!" everytime he mentions the name of a
    political opponent?

    Oops...too late...already happened....

    Say hello to the man who will control access to the President. Sorry, Wayne
    LaPierre, don't think you'll be getting a meeting anytime soon....yeah, not
    a surprise.
     
  22. Frog48

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    You forgot a pretty important agency on your list: United States Border Patrol.
     
  23. divemedic

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    No I didn't. The US Border Patrol is part of US Customs, the full name of which is US Customs and Border Protection.
     
  24. GRIZ22

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    In order to make Minutemen appear ineffective she pulled back the border patrol.


    As Governor she has no say over the Border Patrol. After she gets sworn in as Secretary of DHS sjhe owns it.

    Immigration Control Enforcement (ICE)


    Actually that's Immigration and Customs Enforcement that was formed by the old Immigration Investigations and Customs Office of Investigations.

    The US Border Patrol is part of US Customs, the full name of which is US Customs and Border Protection.

    There is no US Customs anymore. The investigative duties of Immigration and Customs are now preformed by ICE and the inspection duties by Customs and Border Protection the former Customs and Immigration Inspectors. The Border Patrol is a division of CBP.
     
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    Its known as CBP; its hasnt been called "US Customs" since 2003, when it was chopped from Treasury. And although Border Patrol is administratively a branch of CBP, the Border Patrol is considered a distinct law enforcement agency since CBP has its own uniformed officer division different than Border Patrol.
     
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