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Jerry Brown signed horrible new gun laws for CA

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  1. 2011redrider

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    https://youtu.be/XedaFH6pC1o

    This is the new bullet button which converts the AR into a fixed magazine and not suject to registration or the ban in 2017.

    CA defines fixed magazine in new law as:
    (b) For purposes of this section, “fixed magazine” means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm in such a manner that the device cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm action.
     
  2. Old Fuff

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    Frankly, they're isn't much that those of us who live outside of California can do.

    The fact of the matter is the state is controlled by Leftist/Liberal/Progressive politicians, and the majority of residents who vote prefer it to be that way. There is no reason that this situation won't continue for the foreseeable future.

    The available options for those residents who disagree with this lifestyle is limited, and as a practical matter they can only:

    Move to a different state.

    Stay where they are for whatever reasons they choose.

    Stay and continue to fight a battle they are highly unlikely to win.

    Stay, but make plans (especially financial ones) that will allow them to leave later.

    I am open to additional suggestions that are practical, but I cannot think of any that are.
     
  3. Ellsnjel

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    It will be interesting to see what happens with the ammunition background checks. New York tried to implement such a policy three years ago and it failed to materialize and was eventually dropped. I doubt California will be able to implement it either
     
  4. Guy B. Meredith

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    Uh, neither are chicken bones, but aiming one at another person will get a child suspended from school. :rolleyes:.
     
  5. MErl

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    The CA ammo check plan appears to be a yearly permit which is recorded and checked at time of purchase. That state will keep that database updated incase someone suddenly becomes prohibited. One BG check per year paid for by the owner ($50), more money for the state, more paperwork for anyone that sells ammo and a nice handy list of every single person who even uses firearms. The law says only that a process must be developed for single purchases by people who do not have a permit (non-residents?) but gives no details on what that might be.

    New license to sell ammo, overhead for the seller. It'll get harder to even find a store selling ammo. May only sell ammo in person, internet sales must go through a local vendor.

    Oh but you can give/sell up to 50 rounds a month to a family member without going through a vendor (but no more than 250 rounds a year or you need a vendor license). You may not give a single round of ammo to anyone else.

    For those that asked, the movie industry is exempt.

    Law goes into effect July 1 2019. Applications for purchase permits start Jan 1 2019.
     
  6. Jackal

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    Folks, take a good look at California's leaders, this is what the worst kind of evil looks like. When they take office, they are sworn to uphold the Constitution. When they wipe their ass with it, their job should be forfeit.
     
  7. suemarkp

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    Since the scope of what is protected by the 2nd amendment doesn't seem to be well bounded yet, I was curious what the California state constitution said for an equivalent state RKBA provision. I was shocked to discover that California is one of the few states that has no state RKBA amendment. That would have been the best grounds to shut these laws down, but you have nothing to stand on in California.

    The idea of letting states experiment with laws so the good ones could be moved up to a federal law will be interesting here. I can see California burning in the end with this. They will probably blame the easy access of guns and ammo in adjacent states for their woes.
     
  8. barnbwt

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    Do you want pragmatic answers, or comforting words? I've seen you ask for the former before, Danez, but you seem very resistant, as though you were instead expecting kind words of encouragement in a hopeless situation. I've offered what I believe, and have tried to argue convincingly, to be real, actual solutions to the gun owners in California. 'Taking back the state' through popular means internally, the way many of the remaining activists desire would require a time machine.

    My initial thought was that the wreckage of the pro-gun movement still standing on the West Coast could possibly be salvaged to turn the tide of battles elsewhere, but the muted real-world reaction to this latest set of outrageous insults tells me that that time has long since passed, as well. So I will no longer plead for Californian gun owners to seek their own salvation elsewhere & assist the cause more effectively; it won't matter, since anyone still remaining at this point will continue to do so until the very last bit of gun privileges are finally forbidden to them. I suppose you could say it's 'sour grapes,' but really it's just that it no longer matters.

    No need for hyperbole; they aren't murdering people in the streets, or "going into people's houses at night to wreck up the place." What they are, is enabling that pure evil to do its thing further down the line (how much further, though..?)

    That is because it's supposed to be *un*bounded...and as a side-effect of that foolishly short-sighted 14th amendment's* incorporation of the second amendment, so are the restrictions against infringing these rights at the state level (granted, the original language makes clear states were also so bounded, but McDonald relied on the 14th as a more explicit explanation)

    TCB
    *that starry-eyed federal guarantee of 'equality' will be our undoing in the end, since its stated goal of equal legal status almost immediately turned into a goal of equal outcomes, regardless the cost
     
  9. Librarian

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    They were. No longer.
     
  10. Librarian

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    Apparently not, with the law as signed.

    There's still time ...

    I read someplace recently, can't recall where: California used to be a nice place - when it was filled with Californians.
     
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    I just can't believe that these control freaks will let honest law-abidding citizens make their own ammo, when everyone else, except them, have to be on record for every purchase.
     
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    Generally in California, legislative efforts and funding are directed toward human weaknesses and against human strengths.

    A search on rankings of states by personal freedoms or business friendliness always have California in the bottom 10%.

    Gun owners are inclined to leave, but also the middle class and small business owners.

    That's the reason I left. History shows where that leads.
     
  13. herkyguy

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    Once again proving the absurdity of politicians trying to outsmart gun owners.
     
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    (Focusing on your 1st and last sentences)

    I do realize that and I honestly don't have a lot of suggestions.

    Even when I lived in AZ, I still donated something to the Calguns foundation every year. I know that it's a lot to ask and I don't expect it, but it's one idea.

    AZ and a handful of other states wrote letter's as 'friends of the court' (Amicus Curiae) for Peruta in the CA9.


    They did that because they see the value in trying to keep the anti 2A moment in CA from getting stronger.

    I'm just dumbfounded that so many here not only can't see that but then also go out of their way to show their lack of class.

    I think it's HSO's sig that says some thing like ' I felt bad for the man who had no money, until I met the man who had no class'.

    I'm not sure how it could be done but if other states can help in hose types of ways as membets of Congress or something... again, I'm not sure how but someone smarter than me politically might have ideas too.


    If you don't want to, or can't donate... hey, that's fine. As I said, it's a lot to ask and just because I did, doesn't mean everyone else can or wants to. I can respect that. I can't respect one with no class.


    What I do know for sure is that comments similar to 'I'm not flushing my money down the toilet known as CA' is 100% counter productive to anything good.
     
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    Both would be nice but if I had to choose, I'd choose pragmatic.

    Unfortunately, I haven't seen either from you. Sadly, quite the opposite in both aspects.

    ETA: You referred to people leaving CA as fleeing rats. Is that an example of what you consider anything resembling pragmatic or encouraging or to further your plan to fix things?
     
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    A truly sad day for the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights. I'm sure the gang bangers will turn all those evil guns and mags into the police.
     
  17. ColoradoShooter77

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    I predict a reloading boom in California, completely under the radar for now.

    Also, people will be getting ammo by the case, before the law takes effect, so there is no record of it.

    Another outrageous side effect of this, bolt actions like the Ruger gunsight scout, will now be banned.
     
  18. barnbwt

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    You want our states' reps to help in unspecified ways, through unspecified processes, that operate outside our states' borders. I understand your desire for a Deus-ex-Machina solution that makes this all go away, but might I suggest educating yourself on what/how the US congress can do, how popular representation works in the US, as well as some sort of primer on state-level politics in CA. It is impossible to compose a strategy, or understand someone else's, if you do not know the rules of the game. Much less win that game.

    Ah, now I see; ya'll want our money. Texas orgs and others need it, too, plus I can expect to actually see some results by giving it to them. CA needs to demonstrate it is a good investment, if you want us to divert our precious resources (to a notably resource-rich state, I might add). Most importantly, that such donations actually do accomplish the goal of stemming the tide of anti-gun fervor leaking from the West Coast --all I see is essentially-unchallenged laws passed over a crushed opposition, by rising stars of the gun control movement, who promise to engrave their insane beliefs into the platform of the largest political party in the nation for decades to come (and possibly even the other party). "Calguns" and the others have failed, utterly. I cannot see how an extra 10% or even 1000% of capital from outside CA will make the scattered, tiny protests more formidable, influence implacable opponents of freedom in the state house & courts, or even educate a public that has rejected individual liberties & responsibility for decades.

    I'm sorry if frank honesty is impolite to you, but the reality of what is occurring in your backyard is very ugly, that ugliness is about to jump the borders of California altogether, and my primary concern now is how the rest of us will fare in dealing with the messes that have been allowed to build up in that state. Not blaming you personally for them --the issues have been the result of generations of short-sighted neglect-- but at this point it really doesn't matter whose individual fault it is that AWBs, secret lists, and confiscation are openly-discussed topics in Washington, DC. All that matters is who is best able to hold the line, and how.

    But man, that guy who invented Bullet Button 2.0 sure showed them :cool:. I mean, those guys in LA must be feeling so embarrassed right now; I'll bet they thought they finally had you all, this time! Plus a bonus; now everyone who HAD a bullet-button 1.0 gets to use a proper mag-release! Yeah, it's only for ten-rounders, and all the guys who had full-30's that were told theirs were grandfathered for life will have to give them up, but hey, proper mag-releases on more guns is a win, right? Dumb that you have to pay money to register all those previously-compliant guns that you'd paid to make compliant, but you'll be able to get them closer to proper-spec, now, and they're grandfathered for life, so you don't have to worry about losing them. Well, I should say, the state won't ever lose them, since they're registered, and there's now a stiff penalty for failing to report any thefts or boating accidents as they happen...but all in all, still a win!

    Polite enough for you?

    TCB
     
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    "I predict a reloading boom in California, completely under the radar for now."

    Move 1: AR15s banned
    Move 2: 80% receivers invented & boom
    Move 3: Despite epic prat-fall introducing "Ghost Gun" concept, De Leon has effectively closed that door to lawful gun owners

    Move 1: Detachable magazines banned
    Move 2: 'Bullet Button' invented
    Move 3: 'Bullet Button' conflated with select fire safety switch; legislation passed to outlaw 'Bullet Button'
    Move 4: 'Bullet Button 2.0" invented
    Move 5: Guess.

    Move 1: Ammo sales now require documentation
    Move 2: Reloading & powder sales boom
    Move 3: After introducing "Untraceable Bullets" concept in a stump speech while running for governor, De Leon proposes legislation forbidding online powder, bullet, lead, primer, dies, and press sales; all must now be purchased through FFL dealers with a background check performed.

    Knight to King 4, only with a pigeon instead of Kasparov :rolleyes:

    TCB
     
  20. old lady new shooter

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    What a beautiful example of American entrepreneurial ingenuity! :)

    Will dealers sell AR's with this already installed? Or does it only help existing owners? (Which would certainly not be trivial, no intention to imply otherwise.)

    And my obligatory Stupid Newbie Question, how fast can a person reload with this installed? (Or, how much does this slow you down compared to a normal AR without even the original bullet button?)
     
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    The important thing to remember about CA is that the rest of us are but a few elections and 100,000 or so voters sway from being in the same boat.
    Nothing happens in a bubble and CA is no exception. CA is a hotbed of social upheaval and it has played a direct roll in what we are seeing now.

    Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk
     
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    Ive provided multiple examples that show you to be incorrect in effort to educate you. But, you fail to acknowledge, that is if you even took the time to read, shows your ill-intentions.



    I gave an example of what other states politicians have already done that in the past. But you continue to fail to read or acknowledge. I would suggest you read and quit offering ' Deus-ex-Machina solutions' yourself. But that seems to be a big part of your ill-intention



    So start prodding your Reps to introduce items at the national level to protect what is still currently available. But that would require you to have good intentions.



    Comments like 'fleeing rats' and then trying to (mis)characterize those as 'frank honesty' is an unflattering portrayal of yourself.



    So I guess it should be no surprise that you post the following misinformation.

    Feel free to write copious amount trying to trying to show that those are not false statements... but they will still be patently false.
     
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    It's pretty sad that CA uses a terrorist attack in FL to enact more anti second amendment laws. I'm pretty sure their "gun control" laws didn't prevent the massacre in San Bernadino. :banghead:
     
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    How? The law only targets semi-auto rifles with a detachable magazine and scary evil features. Bolt actions are unaffected
     
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    This will be all American gun owners problem if everyone doesn't wake up before November!
     
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