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Venom007

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hi I just bought a 950 Jetfire Beretta in .25 ACP off Gun Broker. LNIB, we'll see once it gets here but it looks fantastic from the pictures. Seller has perfect feedback and the price was solid. Been wanting one for years and years, I do not like the newer 21As.

Two questions guys:

1 What is the best defensive ammo for these? I've read .25 ACP hollow points do not expand and are a waste of time, penetration is preferred so FMJ is recommended. Who makes the highest quality/most reliable/hottest .25 ACP out there?

2 Can I carry the gun with safety off and a round in the chamber, so that I can draw and simply cock the hammer and fire? Or is this unsafe and the gun has to have the safety on?

can't wait to own this gun. And you can bet it won't be a safe queen, once I become proficient with it and it proves itself reliable it will be used for carry.
 
I tried Frontier 35gr jhp when the first came out decades ago. They expanded just fine, but did not penetrate well as expected. If I were going to carry a .25acp (not saying I would), I would look for some European ammo with sealed primers. European's tend to load their ammo a little hotter than Americans.
 
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1 What is the best defensive ammo for these?

The rounds you load yourself.

Not trying to be flippant, but as a handloader you can better match the powder to the miniscule bullet in order to get the optimal performance.

When I got my 25 ACP, I bought a box of Remington cartridges for it. They were only used for practice and I started reloading 25 ACP with Hornady 35 grain XTPs. Hornady has since stopped making that bullet, but I have a stock on hand and they can sometimes be found at gun shows. Unless you are a handloader, it is likely you will not be able to find anything other than 50 grain FMJ bullets, so that decision may have been made for you by the marketplace.

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I've read .25 ACP hollow points do not expand and are a waste of time, penetration is preferred so FMJ is recommended.
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Where did you read that?

My 25 ACP loads with Hornady 35 grain XTPs run nearly 1,000 fps and shooting them into a Boston Butt roast showed they reliably expanded. The Boston Butt also made good pulled pork bar-b-que. Of course how much good it does for the bullet to expand from a quarter of an inch to a third of an inch is a matter for debate. But, what you have to keep in mind is that there is so much more to wound ballistics than "expansion" and "penetration" and neither is a trump card. Hit a bone and the XTP bullet tends to shatter. Hit a bone and the FMJ bullet tends to deflect. Which one is more likely to be effective in removing someone from a gunfight is entirely dependent on the path of the bullet through the target and while you can control shot placement, you have no control over the path of the bullet once it clears the muzzle.

I accept the research done by Glaser (later owned by Cor-Bon, later owned by Dakota Ammo) that showed a large, shallow wound was optimal for removing someone from a fight while minimizing the risk of mortality (and the ensuing wrongful death civil suit). My experience with the 35 grain hollow point was that it will indeed produce a shallow wound.

Who makes the highest quality/most reliable/hottest .25 ACP out there?

Since I load all of my own 25 ACP, I have no basis for comparison.

2 Can I carry the gun with safety off and a round in the chamber, so that I can draw and simply cock the hammer and fire? Or is this unsafe and the gun has to have the safety on?

I can only speak to what I would do. Any gun not intentionally designed to be drop-safe is not a gun I would carry with a round in the chamber and the safety off. As we have seen with guns from Taurus and SIG that were supposedly designed to be drop-safe, it was still possible to make them fire by dropping them a particular way. In my life, I have had to resort to a pistol for self defense twice. I have dropped a gun more than twice. And while each self-defense use was outside the home, every drop was inside. I don't want to take the risk of shooting myself or a member of my family simply because I refused to use a safety the manufacturer thought was necessary.
 
My 1903 Colt used to eat up the cute little Speer Gold Dot .25s..... if it was held with a Kung-Fu grip.

It is one of the cruel ironies of physics that the smaller (lighter) a pistol is, the more tightly it must be grasped in order that the slide has a solid platform to act against- your palm in this case- rather than just allowing the whole pistol to rock back and waste the limited chemical energy available.
Ya know how Officers' Model Colts are notoriously unforgiving of limp-wristing? That Vest Pocket was twice as bad.......

I don't recall what grain those things were, or if they still make them but that's the limit of my .25 experience, for what its worth. Neat pistols though!
 
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I loved my little 950s - I carried mine with the hammer down on a loaded chamber, but I cannot assure you that this is drop safe on yours.

One modification that I found necessary was to purchase an extra magazine release button (it screws right out) and file it down to about 2/3 its original thickness. This prevented my occasional, inadvertent mag drops during firing.

Those little .25s are not to be trifled with. I used to invite the skeptical to take a phillips-head screwdriver (the tip is about the same size and profile of a .25 bullet) and drive it as hard as they could into a 2x4. Then we'd put a few rounds into it, and compare.
 
Venom007

I have to say that I have a certain fascination with "miniature size" guns. Had several Jetfires (the later Model 950BS), over the years and use to carry it on occasion as my back-up or as my "making a late night run to the convenience store" gun. I always carried it with the safety on and always in a holster of some kind. Pretty much stuck with factory FMJ ammo though I do remember having some .25 ammo that had a BB placed in a hollow cavity of the bullet to get it to expand (I think Winchester still makes something like that with their Super X 45 gr. Expanding Point bullet).

The only really small autos I have nowadays would be a Lightweight Baby Browning (mint, in the box, at a price I couldn't pass it up), and as a somewhat more practical pocket auto, a KelTec P3AT.
 
I kind of developed a fascination with the caliber around 2015 and was looking to scratch the itch with a Raven, but the only ones I found (at gun shows) were ridiculously overpriced. I ended up with a Taurus PT25 and, a month later, a Bauer. Last year, another PT25, in stainless, came along. I found that one in a pawn shop, complete with box, two extra sets of grip panels, and two extra magazines. Someone was really into their PT25.

I've never carried the Bauer (it was not my intent.) I have toted one or the other Taurus once in a while. I think it's a plain 50-grain FMJ load from PMC that's in those guns now.

I am actually keeping an eye out for a Jetfire. I got a Bobcat 21A a few months back, in .22LR, and that keeps the itch going for another Beretta mousegun.
 
MedWheeler

Yes those little mouseguns can be quite enticing! I had a Sterling Model 302 (.22LR), Astra Cub (.22 Short), Beretta Model 20 (.25ACP), FTL Auto Nine (.22LR), Beretta Model 21A (22LR), and a number of Beretta Jetfires (.25ACP). Currently all I have in the diminutive gun category is a Baby Browning and a KelTech P3AT.
 
Tallball,

Thanks for the photo of the Mauser 1910. Reminds me of the one a buddy kept in his bedroom dresser drawer when I was about 12. His dad (Seas Bees officer) captured it from a Japanese Navy officer that actually surrendered that and a European style dress sword. The sword did have an engraved guard and a pierced and carved blade. Appearently Japanese Officers of the Navy were expected to buy their own side arm up into the 1930's and Mausers and Brownings were popular. The original Nambu (not the Type 14) was supposedly actually a private purchase item as well.

At the time I actually thought the kid was BSing me as the sword weren't no katona and the pistol weren't no nambu. His Dad sat me straight and lit another pipe full so I had to go research it. He was right.

I guess being there does count....sometimes.

-kBob
 
MedWheeler

Yep. I know your pretty Baby (Browning!)

Yes indeed, even though she's well past the age of consent (I think she might even be older than I am!), I still don't let her consort with any of the 9mm.s or .45s in my collection. Strictly guns of a decent caliber (.380 or smaller), are even allowed to be in the same gun safe with her!

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As with others (as indicated on this thread), the Jetfire was my "go-to" deep-cover piece at one time. I still tuck it in my pocket on occasion when I'm out raking the leaves or otherwise puttering around. :)

This crappily-taken photo shows the Beretta in relation to other pocket guns...

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