Jurassic Park Lost World Hunting Rifles

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The second Jurassic Park movie is on right now. While watching it the rifles that the two PH's carry, Ajay & Roland, stuck out to me. After a quick google search (http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Lost_World:_Jurassic_Park,_The), it turns out they were actually real world rifles that might actually do good for dinosaur's, if they ever are genetically resurrected.

Ajay carries a Model 70 Winchester with a variable power scope and iron sights. My guess, based off Pre-64 historical Winchester production numbers, is that it's either a 375 H&H Mag or 458 Win Mag as I can't imagine a PH carrying a non-CRF rifle and those are the only two DG cartridges chambered in it pre-64 (http://homesteadfirearms.com/appraisals/win70/numbersproduced.htm).

Roland carries a Sidelock Searcy Double Rifle in 600 NE. Searcy built two for the movie, and Steven Spielberg bought one of them.

I know we aren't supposed to talk about theroeticals, but I found it kind of neat that they went to the trouble to actually find real DG hunting rifles that could, in theory at least, be used to hunt a dinosaur.
 
I don't see where most of the dinosaurs would not succumb to proper shot placement from any of several "normal" higher-power rifles. The likely problem might well be the learning curve as to just where one should aim. Head, yes; neck, yes. But where in the body would be the best for a heart/lung shot--and would that be truly effective from a DRT standpoint?
 
I don't see where most of the dinosaurs would not succumb to proper shot placement from any of several "normal" higher-power rifles. The likely problem might well be the learning curve as to just where one should aim. Head, yes; neck, yes. But where in the body would be the best for a heart/lung shot--and would that be truly effective from a DRT standpoint?
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I don't know what the fossilized to live bone weight conversion is, but I don't think Roland's 600 NE could penetrate the T-Rex's skull. Fossil's of full grown T-Rex skulls weigh in excess of 5 tons and even as fossils, the bone plates are an inch or more thick.
 
Good choice on the M-2 for a tyrannosaur gun.

Personally,I'd start with a LAWS rocket myself to the center of mass. LOL.

Being a good sport goes out the window when a charging semi truck with teeth comes charging at you.
I could care less if PETA or fish and game hollers foul at that point.
 
T-Rex skulls were nowhere near 5 tons. The entire live weight of the animal was supposed to be 5 - 7 tons.

I would think something like a .50 Barrett mounted on a truck would do. Not very sporting but I wouldn't want to try one of those with bow and arrow.
 
If you ever get to Boron California be sure and stop into Butch Searcy's shop. He is in the Quonset hut on the far west side of town you can't miss it. He's got the rubber gun that they made from a mold of the real gun that he built for the movie. Butch says that a lot of the scenes where you see Roland with the .600 NE it's actually the rubber gun.

I have a higher opinion of Speilberg after I found out that not only did he commission Butch to build him a sidelock .600 NE but he actually shot it a couple of times. A .600 NE is a handful especially for a guy who isn't a big bore shooter.

I'm guessing that the 5 ton number comes from the weight of the fossilized artifact rocks and all. The live weight of the skull would have been much lighter I'm thinking.
 
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sniper-rifles/rus/svdk-e.html

About the same oumph as the .375 H&H but with a 10 round magazine and a gas operated action. That's what I'd like for a balanced dino rifle. Shot placement is always king, but it helps when you get 10 tries.

Also dig the fact that they had a double rifle in the movie instead of some futuristic g36c chambered in some laser plasma cartridge.
 
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Let's put what we'd be dealing with in perspective. 13 feet high at the hip, over 10,000 pounds of mean and nasty.

A headshot might work fine in theory, but trying to find the tiny brain in that huge skull would be extremely difficult. A heart / lung shot would work - eventually, but you probably wouldn't want to wait around for it to take effect.

I think you'd have to go for the weak spot, the knee. Blow out one leg and a two legged critter isn't going to go anywhere. Once it's down, you could administer finishers at your leisure. I'd like a nice heavy monolithic solid in 45 caliber up for the knee shot, and some tough softpoints for the lung shots.

All in all there are other things I'd rather do.
 
As I recall the movie, there were few of the Rex--which would figure, really, since it would take far more territory for its food supply. Most of the action from hazardous critters came from the smaller, faster, more agile types. Probably a semi-auto in '06 at the bottom end of the power curve would be useful.

Overall, not a hunting grounds for a guy working solo. I'd think that a mix of .338 or .375s for two or three of the hunting party, coupled with semi-autos for another two or three guys.

And, yeah, a Rex with a busted knee would be like a one-legged guy in a butt-kicking contest.
 
The thing about North American hunting is that we don't have to deal with aggressive pack animals. The rare occasion of a pack of feral dogs, maybe, but that's not something for which one has much concern.

I omit wolves because of the comparative small size, as opposed to the JP critters.
 
T-Rex skulls were nowhere near 5 tons
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I said that fossilized skulls of full grown T-Rex's have weighed up to 5 tons. And the fossils showed that the bone plates of the skull are in excess of an inch thick. Yes, live weights were near 5 tons for the whole animal. But keep in mind, were talking about a critter that during puberty was putting on 5lbs of bone & 45lbs of muscle a day.

The thing about North American hunting is that we don't have to deal with aggressive pack animals.
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Thankfully velociraptors didn't survive to the modern day. They were smart & nasty and alot of raptor species have been discovered in the US. In fact, the raptors in Jurassic Park 3 were based on a recently discovered velociraptor: Utah Raptor which was discovered near Slat Lake City IIRC.
 
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If we are going into Hollywood fantasy land a bit... then I think all of the above mentioned are fine, but believe the "Bo & Luke Duke Archery Method", consisting of a compound bow, arrow, & a stick of dynamite, would be the best.
the blades would have to be sharp enough to penetrate hide i can't even imagine, and the close range might make it a bit exciting...
 
Wow!

Hadnt seen a Bofors 40mm in awhile.

Heck, if we're gonna go cannon size, 30mm Vulcan then.
Aint worried about mounting the whole thing, just the head.
So no matter that the torso is mincemeat from 1000 rounds a minute.
 
A .308 AR for the up close and fast work. A .50 BMG rifle for stand hunting, and a MK19 mounted on a truck bed for riding the back roads.
 
natman, an instructor for unarmed self-defense once pointed out that no matter how muscled, no matter how hard the muscles: That guy's eyeballs are no harder than those of a couch potato. :D

Yeah, shot placement.
 
I would use foul language and an escrima stick. Escrima sticks are the most deadly weapon known to man. I learned that right here on THR!;)
 
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natman, an instructor for unarmed self-defense once pointed out that no matter how muscled, no matter how hard the muscles: That guy's eyeballs are no harder than those of a couch potato. :D

Yeah, shot placement.
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Please don't misunderstand, I consider shot placement to be the most important factor in a clean kill. However, it is not the ONLY factor and there is a tendency to recommend cartridges way out of their league by chanting "shot placement" like it was a magical incantation that allows you kill anything with anything.

I'm hard pressed to think of a more extreme example than proposing to take on a T Rex with 22 CB caps by planning to shoot out both eyes before he has his little snack. But by all means, be my guest.
 
A Klingon Cloaking Device might prove useful.

'Beam me up Scotty' would work just as well.

If it were a 'modern', last version of a human, I 'spect we'd be done in by single cell critters than any kind of bmf critter.

sd.
 
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Spielberg and company were not the first to tread this ground. Check out the great L. Sprague de Camp's "A Gun For Dinosaur."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Gun_for_Dinosaur

It was made into a classic episode of "X Minus One," which is now public domain. A link is in the wiki site. Great stuff!

The thing about North American hunting is that we don't have to deal with aggressive pack animals.
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Wolves. Though the modern wolf is a far cry from his predecessors. The dinos don't impress me half as much as the mega-fauna of the last few million years. Thick skinned, massive bones and a much bigger brain than any dino. Eocene park would be much wilder than the Jurassic. Remembering how hard it is to stop a mere modern rhino, imagine a rhino as large as a dinosaur.
 
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