Jurassic Park Lost World Hunting Rifles

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In one of Jeff Cooper's musings I think he mentioned hunting a whale with a spear in a tiny rowboat like natives did/still do in some parts is likely the biggest hunting rush one could have. I think a t-rex would beat it. I have no doubt if we had them, folks would figure out how to hunt them. I'm guessing it would either be an initial anchor shot to the hip or a spine/neck shot. How big are elephants by the way?
 
When I think of hunting a T_rex, the closest thing that comes to mind that is even close in this area is a Big Gator...
Multiply some of the biggest gators you have seen by a factor of 3 or 4 for length: ( 4 x 13 = 52 feet long) , and multiply by a factor of 7 or 8 for weight... ( 8 *1000 = 4 tons)... It makes the imagination a little bit clearer...
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I believe the trusty old lever action 30-30 would prove faithful in a pinch, if accuracy and range were right... The pucker factor would be HIGH.

Given the choice of a whale with a row-boat, or a T-Rex I think i'd choose the T-rex. Of course it would depend on the size of the row-baot, and the size of the whale. Herman Melville experienced the sinking of the Essex, ( a large wooden sailing vessel) by a 100 foot Sperm Whale, 3,000 miles from land, They only had their rowboat to make this trip with, and ate a crew member by "luck of a draw" for survival.

Chasing a T-rex on land would have it's benefits.
 
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Most effective would be the .577 T-Rex, amirite? Personally I wouldn't choose any civilian available weapon to take out a lizard from the Cretaceous period. I think I would choose a M113 APC for transportation, and use the roof mounted Ma Deuce at range for a kill. Ill also have an assortment of shoulder fired anti-tank munitions aboard as well.


Ok perhaps a flatbed mounted GAU-8/A Avenger gun. :D
I missed this post, but caught it upon re-reading the thread. I like the way you think. 30mm depleted uranium would drop any Dino, even Sauropod breeds, I assure you.
 
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No small arms for me. A quad 50 is minimal and a 20 mm is better. A quad 40 Bofors like those mounted on our WW II cruisers, battleships and carriers would be even better. If nothing else, the medium velocity 75 mm gun carried by the M-24 Chaffee is just about right for stopping the T-Rex.
 
You guys are a bunch of self preservationists! I'd gut shoot follow him then track him until he bedded, circle up wind and close on him until he was forced to charge. Then I'd wait until eye spitting range and smoke him with a trusty big bore double. I'd let the dinosaur choose how he was going to die. Making sure that we had good camera coverage from several angles. My apologies to Mark Sullivan. But that is the proper way to shoot a T-Rex.;)
 
Fossil croc remains have been found, over forty feet long...

Then there was the Mosasaur, a 30' marine lizard. Lotsa teeth. There are a couple of those fossils just south of Hwy 170 at Terlingua.

"What size hooks for...?"
 
In the first book crichton says the dinosaurs have a decentralized nervous system, thick skills and ribs. Says the best way to drop one is to blow it apart. Muldoon used a rocket launcher on the raptors and was a much cooler character than the movie made him.

In the second book they used a lindstradt tranquilizer gun loaded with nerve toxin from some shellfish instead of tranq.


Art, I never knew there were dinosaurs down by terlingua. I spent every thanksgiving down there as a kid until we finally gave up hunting because the fire ants got all the quail. I never went to a traditional thanksgiving until I was 16. It was very boring.
 
Such contemplations often overlook reality.

Men with black powder guns of short range and much lower power than your average modern smokeless rifle, never mind the big bores, brought the grizzly to near extinction in its former range ('historic' in image).

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When Lewis and Clark made their expedition in the early 1800s grizzlies were so common they were encountered over almost every hill, and in each valley.
They commented on how difficult it was to kill them with the weak weapons they brought on the trip, muzzle loading flintlocks of limited power even for that time period. Yet they managed.
Within about a 100 years they were nearly extinct, all but wiped out in the lower 48.

I have little doubt the dinos as a threat to humans would have been hunted to extinction even faster. By the early 1900s and smokeless powder guns they would have been exterminated.
In reality the US army would have likely had orders to clear the dinosaurs for settlers, and combined with Manifest Destiny the dinors would have simply been shot with large volumes of fire. Most of them likely from horseback.
Early black powder cannons and artillery would make quick work of any dinos, even the largest ones.
The dinosaur campaigns would have probably combined with the Indian Wars to locate and kill and subdue any remaining pockets of surviving threats, native and dino.



This is a nation once covered in Grizzly Bears west of the Mississippi river, large wolves in most of the nation, and the world's most numerous bird the passenger pigeon that could darken the sky and block out the sun non-stop for days in a row during migrations.

No dinosaurs wouldn't be some menace still causing trouble, they would have been virtually exterminated in black powder days, and early smokeless would have finished off what remained over 100 years ago. You wouldn't have had a chance to use modern guns.
 
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At one point there were Grizzlies in northern Kentucky? that's unsettling. I don't care for their smaller, darker ursine cousins that live behind me now in the eastern coal fields.
 
Quail don't have it easy in Terlingua, but until some infested sod was recently brought into Lajitas, we've not had "far aints".

One of our locals has become a self-taught paleontologist. He's earned national respect. Doubled the number of known mosasaur sites in the U.S. Has most of the skeleton of an allosaur. Discovered previously unknown varieties of turtles and sharks.

Quite a few fossil shark's teeth in the Cretaceous clays. Small ones, however. 1/4" to 3/4" in length is typical.

Looking at this desert, today, it's difficult to realize that it was once underwater. The Guadalupe Mountains up at the New Mexico line are old coral reef limestone.
 
Yes indeed. There was a point when most of North America was under water - and only the mountain tops poked out as islands and archipelagos.
 
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... old time gator photo ...

Just goes to show how long hunters have been lying through forced perspective

the B&W picture is hanging on the office hall wall at the Florida Sherriff's Boys Ranch, it was taken on the Suwannee River in the 1960's,,, Nobody's lying when they said it was a big gator, over 12' long, and over 900 lbs... Of Course an expert photographer would not be worth his salt if he did not capture the right angle with right perspective...:D
 
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that's unsettling. I don't care for their smaller, darker ursine cousins that live behind me now in the eastern coal fields.

That is the glacial period much older, it is the 'historic' borders that are where they lived in the 1800s.
The closest they were to modern Kentucky then was in the present state of Missouri.



Large predators are good for the environment and the people. It keeps people more accepting of arms and keeps them well rounded. California would be a very different place if it still had Grizzly bears and wolves, and people might have to defend themselves from them on a regular basis.


There is some great history regarding the effects of dangerous predators on the population.
The islands of Great Britain and Ireland once were densely populated with wolves. They went extinct in the 1700s.
(Of course Ireland was covered in dense forest until the 1600s, and is today the most deforested part of Europe. It is now pretty much the exact opposite landscape from the days of the druids through the time of the Normans and most of the folklore.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolves_in_Great_Britain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_wolf

The loss of predators that can hunt and kill people provides an environment where it is easier to become a nanny state and disarm the people.
Frequently encountered things walking around that can eat people results in carrying weapons for self defense being a virtually undisputed thing.
Even in the Communist Soviet Union it was completely acceptable and commonplace for regular people to have powerful firearms in places with large amounts of brown bears and tigers.

Once you lose the real 'monsters' of an area you lose an important part of human psychology as it relates to freedom and community and individual self preservation.
Or more to the point of the forum as it relates to arms.
Governments like to consolidate power, and hold a monopoly on force.
It is much easier when the only 'monsters' left are other people for governments to convince people that disarmament of the commoner is for their own good.
Governments will argue with a society's need for guns to defend against other people (or especially to stand up to the government, as the founders envisioned) but it is harder to convince the population with the argument that risking being eaten by predators is for their own good.
Losing such predators results in the loss of a very important defender of our freedom and individual independence.
Especially since they typically pose a lower risk to people than other predatory human beings, but excite the imagination, a steadfast sense of self preservation, and a feeling of entitlement to arms in the average person much more.
 
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Well, if some idiot decides that cloning a dinosaur is a possibility, and decides to make a couple just to see if he can, our little humorous thread here may not be so far from reality as we might think.
They may not be able to make a dinosaur from the past persay, but some abomination might come out of it that might resemble those goofy "B" grade CGI monster movies that come out on the Sci-Fi channel.

I mean think about it, what if one of those alligators or crocs in the pics above could be bio-engineered to walk on two legs?
Not a dinosaur, but petty scary.

When you think about it, it kinda makes you wonder a bit if the guys who made all the horror pics from the 50's might have been on to something.

I'm mostly joking here.
But now as i'm writing this, I'm thinking it might not be so far fetched anymore.
 
Since they kill 12 foot 600 lb gators with. 22mag on TV a 300 winmag should kill any of them with the right shot.
 
for dinosaur hunting i would need the following
3 guys- never shot a gun before- with 22s- they play the role of bait
a crate of mosin nagants, any varity, for my self, and anyone i feel worthy
and a crate of law rockets
and i think that pretty much covers it
 
In reality the US army would have likely had orders to clear the dinosaurs for settlers, and combined with Manifest Destiny the dinors would have simply been shot with large volumes of fire. Most of them likely from horseback.

Now THAT is an alternate history novel for you. Where's our resident novelist?

I remember that President Jefferson fully expected L&C to meet up with mammoths and saber cats. The concept of extinction was unknown at the time, and they had found skulls of the beasts.
 
Ha ha

Anti tank,jet fighter with air to ground rockets,2or3 squads of marines and6 tanks oughta do it.;) You guys crack me up!:what::):)
 
Let me be the one to air on the side of sporting and suggest a more "fun" caliber for dino's: a modern smokeless version of the 50-90 Sharps. A 500gr banded solid at about 2750fps muzzle from a modern Sharps rifle designed for such a load. As no self respecting Sharps shooter needs anymore than one shot, Creedmoore & buckhorn sights with double set triggers for the hunt. I'd say it'd be most sporting indeed.
 
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