El Tejon
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H&H, thanks for posting those. They are beautiful.
Some day!
Some day!
Just returned from Africa PICS
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Frohickey
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Thanks for the stories and the pictures.
One of these days, when Congress finally takes my idea of giving out foreign aid in exchange for land purchases. Maybe we can add more stars to the star-spangled banner.
One of these days, when Congress finally takes my idea of giving out foreign aid in exchange for land purchases. Maybe we can add more stars to the star-spangled banner.
MeekandMild
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You lucky dog!
I always wanted to go to Africa but Mrs. Meek flatly refuses and then suggests we go to Paris instead. I keep telling her those scrawny little Frenchmen are probably too tough and stringy and would make a up a stew which tastes like tobacco and stale wine.
I always wanted to go to Africa but Mrs. Meek flatly refuses and then suggests we go to Paris instead. I keep telling her those scrawny little Frenchmen are probably too tough and stringy and would make a up a stew which tastes like tobacco and stale wine.
Jaegermeister
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Hunting ethics
Please do not take this as an insult:
Obviously Africa is a lot different than the Midwest where I live, but I was raised with the notion that if you shot it, you ate it (with the exception being varmints).
What does one do with a giraffe or zebra? Did you guys have a huge BBQ? Did the meat go to the locals? Please say so.
I know of culling a herd, but I still believe that harvesting one of God's creatures means you should not waste what he created.
Otherwise, I think a manual 35mm camera such as a Nikon FM2N with two manual focus lenses would have been a better tool for your hunt.
Killing something for fun, such as a messed up horse like a zebra, seems to be crossing an ethical boundary.
If I kill it, I grill (or crock pot) it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please do not take this as an insult:
Obviously Africa is a lot different than the Midwest where I live, but I was raised with the notion that if you shot it, you ate it (with the exception being varmints).
What does one do with a giraffe or zebra? Did you guys have a huge BBQ? Did the meat go to the locals? Please say so.
I know of culling a herd, but I still believe that harvesting one of God's creatures means you should not waste what he created.
Otherwise, I think a manual 35mm camera such as a Nikon FM2N with two manual focus lenses would have been a better tool for your hunt.
Killing something for fun, such as a messed up horse like a zebra, seems to be crossing an ethical boundary.
If I kill it, I grill (or crock pot) it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Art Eatman
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Jaegermeister, you might try a closer re-reading. I don't see any reason for him to have added, "And we ate it." to each and every one of his posts.
One thing I've always heard about African hunting is that absolutely no meat is ever wasted. A major problem among the natives out in hunting country is the relatively small amount of protein in their daily diet.
Regards,
Art
One thing I've always heard about African hunting is that absolutely no meat is ever wasted. A major problem among the natives out in hunting country is the relatively small amount of protein in their daily diet.
Regards,
Art
John G
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I read an article by Ted Nugent in some gun mag, where he hunted in Africa with his Glock 10mm. At the end of the hunt, he donated the meat to a local village. Everybody wins.
Art Eatman
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Not many people buy a whole cow and haul it home to butcher out and feed the family. It's sorta hard to eat all one's legal kill when you're 10,000 miles from home on a two-week jaunt.
A hunter whose primary interest is some trophies and some campfire cooking and suchlike is happy as all get-out to have local folks haul meat home. He's just playing Armour/Swift & Co, or maybe he's Mr. Safeway...
It's not in any rancher's nature to just cut off the trophy parts for a client and let the rest go to waste, either. Then again, Mr. Cat might like the idea, since he might disagree about "waste". Or Mr. Buzzard, for that matter.
Near as I can tell from a dab of reading about hunters' behavior, the number who would leave meat to rot is really, really miniscule.
Art
A hunter whose primary interest is some trophies and some campfire cooking and suchlike is happy as all get-out to have local folks haul meat home. He's just playing Armour/Swift & Co, or maybe he's Mr. Safeway...
It's not in any rancher's nature to just cut off the trophy parts for a client and let the rest go to waste, either. Then again, Mr. Cat might like the idea, since he might disagree about "waste".
Or Mr. Buzzard, for that matter.Near as I can tell from a dab of reading about hunters' behavior, the number who would leave meat to rot is really, really miniscule.
Art
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Jagermeister,
Lets see if I can nip this in the bud right now. NOT ONE SINGLE OUNCE OF ANY THESE ANIMALS INCLUDING THE ZEBRA WAS WASTED!!!!
Do I make myself perfectly clear? The giraffe was made into biltong and sold by one one of the local trackers. You see giraffe is considered quite the delicasy.
As far as the springbok goes if you read the post you'll see that to was all utilized.
As far as the rest of meat goes it was either taken by my friends family or given to locals. Protien is not wasted in Africa.
Now for the final point about using a camera instead of a rifle. And I can't believe that I still have to explain this to people especially on hunting site....
Before animals were assigned value I.E. trophy fees from hunting most wild animals had been wiped out in South Africa. Because if they are not of any economic value then they are culled off to make way for cattle or sheep. The only reason that there are any wild animals left in many parts of Africa is directly because of HUNTING and hunting alone...
It takes approximatley 45 photo tourists to equal the economic benifit of one sport hunter anywhere in Africa. So you see if it wasn't for hunters you wouldn't have the opportunity to shoot any animals with your Nikon. because there wouldn't be any there to take pictures of.
The meat from wild animals in South Africa are commonly sold in the meat section of your rural markets so you see to the ranch owner they are essentially a form of live stock.
And finally it is not allowed to bring meats or vegtables into the USA from any foriegn country and especially not one on a continent that is a host to so many fun and exciting parasites as are present in Africa.So I guess that pretty much kills the import of ten thousand pounds of venison doesn't it ?
The picture below is of the ranch hands carrying the Zebra a half mile to a truck. Now mind you these guys are not trackers or skinners or any way involved in the hunting business they are African cowboys or sheep tenders in this case. Why are they carrying this 600lb carcass? Not for money not for the sake of their jobs but because I gave it to them to eat.. And that is just what they did.
I'm not upset with you Jagermeiater but please try to look at this with a bit more knowledge please.
respectfully H&Hhunter
P.S.
And one final point about shooting a messed up horse (Zebra) it is probably one of the smartest and hardest of all african plains game if you want to harvest a good one. I passed up over 30 stallions and finally took this one on the tenth day of hunting. Not nearly so easy as shooting a messed up deer like a whitetail
Not anything like National Geographic Explorer. These animals are way different than the ones in a park. Which by the way they hunt in those too.
I guess it would be hard to fathom the African definition of a varmint. When elephants destroy a whole maze or sugar cane field in one night and flee through a villiage killing people. When you've got 3 or 4 hundred springbok on your hay field at night. When a leapord eats the family dog in your back yard. They are considered varmints and culled as such, of course it's a benifit to the land owner or the park systems to be able to derive an economic benefit from allowing these animals to be "trophy hunted for a fee". Kinda kills two birds with one stone don't it. And keeps these already poor countrys from having to pay someone to do it. And also all of these varmints are eaten including baboons. No meat is wasted in Africa. Unless it was poached for ivory or horn but that's a whole nother story.
Jagermeister, thank you for opening this debate and I hope that I've been able to bring some light on the subject of African sport hunting. Keep in touch and good hunting.
H&Hhunter
Lets see if I can nip this in the bud right now. NOT ONE SINGLE OUNCE OF ANY THESE ANIMALS INCLUDING THE ZEBRA WAS WASTED!!!!
Do I make myself perfectly clear? The giraffe was made into biltong and sold by one one of the local trackers. You see giraffe is considered quite the delicasy.
As far as the springbok goes if you read the post you'll see that to was all utilized.
As far as the rest of meat goes it was either taken by my friends family or given to locals. Protien is not wasted in Africa.
Now for the final point about using a camera instead of a rifle. And I can't believe that I still have to explain this to people especially on hunting site....
Before animals were assigned value I.E. trophy fees from hunting most wild animals had been wiped out in South Africa. Because if they are not of any economic value then they are culled off to make way for cattle or sheep. The only reason that there are any wild animals left in many parts of Africa is directly because of HUNTING and hunting alone...
It takes approximatley 45 photo tourists to equal the economic benifit of one sport hunter anywhere in Africa. So you see if it wasn't for hunters you wouldn't have the opportunity to shoot any animals with your Nikon. because there wouldn't be any there to take pictures of.
The meat from wild animals in South Africa are commonly sold in the meat section of your rural markets so you see to the ranch owner they are essentially a form of live stock.
And finally it is not allowed to bring meats or vegtables into the USA from any foriegn country and especially not one on a continent that is a host to so many fun and exciting parasites as are present in Africa.So I guess that pretty much kills the import of ten thousand pounds of venison doesn't it ?
The picture below is of the ranch hands carrying the Zebra a half mile to a truck. Now mind you these guys are not trackers or skinners or any way involved in the hunting business they are African cowboys or sheep tenders in this case. Why are they carrying this 600lb carcass? Not for money not for the sake of their jobs but because I gave it to them to eat.. And that is just what they did.
I'm not upset with you Jagermeiater but please try to look at this with a bit more knowledge please.
respectfully H&Hhunter
P.S.
And one final point about shooting a messed up horse (Zebra) it is probably one of the smartest and hardest of all african plains game if you want to harvest a good one. I passed up over 30 stallions and finally took this one on the tenth day of hunting. Not nearly so easy as shooting a messed up deer like a whitetail
Not anything like National Geographic Explorer. These animals are way different than the ones in a park. Which by the way they hunt in those too.
I guess it would be hard to fathom the African definition of a varmint. When elephants destroy a whole maze or sugar cane field in one night and flee through a villiage killing people. When you've got 3 or 4 hundred springbok on your hay field at night. When a leapord eats the family dog in your back yard. They are considered varmints and culled as such, of course it's a benifit to the land owner or the park systems to be able to derive an economic benefit from allowing these animals to be "trophy hunted for a fee". Kinda kills two birds with one stone don't it. And keeps these already poor countrys from having to pay someone to do it. And also all of these varmints are eaten including baboons. No meat is wasted in Africa. Unless it was poached for ivory or horn but that's a whole nother story.
Jagermeister, thank you for opening this debate and I hope that I've been able to bring some light on the subject of African sport hunting. Keep in touch and good hunting.
H&Hhunter
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I think there is a lot of misinformation about hunting in Africa. I wish more people understood the economics of african wildlife outside of national parks. It would be easier if national geographic would do a few documentaries about the economics of trophy hunting in the most impoverished portions of africa.
Great Pics HHunter, you are blessed.
pdog
Great Pics HHunter, you are blessed.
pdog
Mr Bill
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Thank you H&H Hunter. Great stories and great photos. Thanks for the educational part too.
Bill
Bill
Bruz
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H&H, you do not have to explain yourself to us, this site is open to the ignorant as well as the enlightened...the ignorant will be educated or leave eventually.
You are still a Ba$**** though! Posting all those great pictures and telling those great stories while I am stuck here drooling on my computer! Did you leave any animals for the rest of us?
You are still a Ba$**** though! Posting all those great pictures and telling those great stories while I am stuck here drooling on my computer! Did you leave any animals for the rest of us?
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beckrodgers
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H & H
All the stuff already posted, man what a great thread . Thats the stuff dreams are made of, is what came to mind. Some movie quote, wow. Thanks
All the stuff already posted, man what a great thread . Thats the stuff dreams are made of, is what came to mind. Some movie quote, wow. Thanks
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