Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by k4swb, Nov 17, 2010.
101 rounds is the limit for LNIB. Zero rounds since the manufacturer put the gun in the box is the limit for NIB.
I am just kidding about 101 rounds. LNIB is whatever the buyer and seller agree that it is.
What's a hundred rounds through a quality handgun? That's like 1 range trip. It's not even broken in, yet. If the surface finish is still 100%, there's no peening or worn out parts, and it comes in the original box, it's LNIB, no matter if it has shot 1 round or a thousand.
OTOH, for a high power, small bore rifle, 100 rounds might make a difference to the bore.
I consider it "AS NEW" / LNIB. Let's start the bidding.
like new condition. It would have very few if any rounds fired through it, must have no finish wear or other blemishes and have its box with its papers and whatever else came with it (e.g., spare magazines for a pistol, cleaning kit, lock) when it was sold new. But it is still a used gun.
This with my emphasis added. However, it has become clear to me that MY "LNIB" expectations are definitely not the same as 95% of those selling guns as "LNIB" It irks me that people use LNIB for a clearly used gun with wear on it. I've sent back 4 or 5 guns I've bought off gunbroker for being not LNIB. And then they wonder why. I just tell them to advertise Like Used in the Box.
$1 - you pay shipping.
Seriously though, while "LNIB" can be a marketing gimmick, I have seen some honest LNIB guns in the case at local gun stores that are great values. One guy bought a gen 4 Glock 23, put night sights on it, fired maybe 50 rounds through it, and sold it back to the same shop. It had a $489 price tag on it. Didn't last a day.
You'd be surprised how many people do that. There are people at that same store who have done the same thing with multiple guns. Apparently they have no problem losing hundreds on a new 1911 just to try it out. To add to the irony, this same store had a range rental case where these guys could have rented the gun for $7, to see whether or not they liked it in the first place!
There is, of course, no standard for LNIB. Generally it pertains to finish wear, though some used guns that have been well cared for can have a better finish than a new one of lesser quality straight from the factory.
I don't care if it's been fired, because I will.
If you want it unfired, that's what it should say.
If the gun has been fired since it left the factory, it's NOT capable of being LNIB (or PERFECT) but should be graded as EXCELLENT.
Thanks for all the replys. Looks as if inserting the L(ike) it actually means it may not be actually new. I'm also an Amateur radio operator and see others listing equipment as LNIB after it has be operated. Dealers usually list these slightly used electronics as demos. I don't think I could ever list a gun as LNIB if I had shot it even once. Seems like a bad term to me.
Like New In Box
However I think it is more accurate to think of it as....Looks New In Box
LNIB does not mean the item is new, otherwise it would simply be NIB.
Saying something "looks" new is basically saying that it is used but in such good condition that it appears to be new.
When I advertise something on GB or Ebay and describe it as LNIB I assume that the person buying it has enough common sense to understand that I'm saying the item is used but looks like it has never been used. If I list something that is new then I will state that it is brand new and never used.
Whenever I list a gun for sale and if it's in "LNIB", I list the number of rounds I put through it as well. It's up to the buyer to decide whether the price and condition is fair and competitive than something that is NIB straight from the factory.
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