Justice denied in Illinois

[usmarine0352_2005]

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Justice delayed is justice denied. I wonder if this will end up getting appealed to SCOTUS and they knew it all along. It could be political maneuvering by Madigan as she gets ready to run for election.






http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20130604/news/706049729/

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Quinn gets 30 more days on concealed carry

Article posted: 6/4/2013 7:57 PM


SPRINGFIELD — A federal court has increased the time Gov. Pat Quinn has to think over a plan to allow Illinoisans to carry concealed weapons.

Lawmakers had faced a Saturday deadline to pass a concealed-carry law. They approved a proposal Friday, but Attorney General Lisa Madigan asked the court to push back the deadline to July 9 to give Quinn more time to decide whether to sign the bill.

Quinn won’t say if he’ll sign concealed carry

The court agreed Tuesday. Lisa Madigan spokeswoman Natalie Bauer said because Quinn by law usually gets 60 days to review legislation, asking the court for 30 more days for Quinn was reasonable.
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[usmarine0352_2005]

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I wonder if the real reason for the extension was so that communities could enact new home rule gun laws before the new carry law takes effect.


The reason being, once the carry law passes too cannot create new gun laws, however, any gun laws made prior to the new carry laws effect is valid.
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[mf-dif]

Isn't the bill pre-emptive? That's why it would abolish pistol mag limits and registration set in Chicago.

 

[Ryanxia]

We have to make sure IL doesn't get off the hook on this one. If one extension was granted, another may be, then a longer one until people start forgetting about it.

 

[rduchateau2954]

Ya know what really irks me about stuff like this? The word "allow". Like they are doing us some great service by "allowing" us to have our rights.

Not limited to firearms either, pretty much everything. Every time I read it the word just echoes around in my head like a taunt.

 

[HexHead]

I don't refer to Rahm as Kim Jung Emmanuel for nothing. Chicagoans might as well be living in N Korea for all the machine cares about people's rights.

 

[wolf695]

I live in IL. and the thought of some people carrying concealed is scary. criminals will get their girls to buy and get permit to carry for them.Not to mention our problem le, people! All in all it is not a good idea! Im sorry if this upsets, but we have gone without it until now.

 

[stumpers]

^I don't say this often here, but I think you're in the wrong place. This is a pro Second Amendment forum, not an anti forum.

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

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Not sure if its pre-emptive.



The court said no more extensions though.
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[Sam1911]

I live in IL. and the thought of some people carrying concealed is scary. criminals will get their girls to buy and get permit to carry for them.Not to mention our problem le, people! All in all it is not a good idea! Im sorry if this upsets, but we have gone without it until now.

Yeah! You IL guys don't need the same rights as almost every other state in the nation enjoys. Just sit down, shut your mouths and remember that rights are for OTHER people!

After all ... a criminal might do something illegal, that he's already doing illegally and, he's still going to do that thing, but that's still a great excuse for preventing folks from knowing a higher level of freedom.

 

[TCB in TN]

I live in IL. and the thought of some people carrying concealed is scary. criminals will get their girls to buy and get permit to carry for them.Not to mention our problem le, people! All in all it is not a good idea! Im sorry if this upsets, but we have gone without it until now.

So you think the current system is working? I guess you are right....so how many people are shot in Chicago each year?

Your current system ensures that the good guys wont be armed, and doesn't stop the bad guys from being armed. CC works pretty much all across the country, can you explain why you think CC won't work in IL?

 

[Tom488]

Wait, wait, wait.... lemme get this straight. You're opposed to lawful concealed carry by law-abiding citizens, because you're afraid that CRIMINALS will get their girlfriends licensed to carry, so they can carry the guns for the criminals?

Wow. Just.... wow. I really have no other words.

Wow.

 

[Kingcreek]

Wolf, yes we have gone without it (ccw) in Illinois but 49 other states have it and have a history of success and the courts have recognized it as a right, even for us in Illinois and they have ruled that some form of carry must be allowed. Chicago is a shining example of gun control at work and the shining is reflected from the blood of over 500 homicides last year alone. Is this really that hard for you to understand? What is it about adequately screened and permitted citizens bearing firearms that scares you?

 

[19-3Ben]

I live in IL. and the thought of some people carrying concealed is scary. criminals will get their girls to buy and get permit to carry for them.

Sooo.... let me make sure I have this straight. You're saying that because it is not legal to carry currently, the criminals, who by definition break the law, are not carrying, out of respect to the law? And that once it becomes legal, then they will?

 

[xwingband]

I think wolf695 is saying that they think a criminal will get their gun via a straw purchase (girlfriend) and be able to carry it with the new carry permit.

NOPE!!! If they can't pass a background check to purchase a gun (or get a FOID in IL) they will not be able to get a carry permit. It's that simple.

Add to others that this is simply not how it happens. If they're a criminal by definition they won't care about the law. They carry despite the prohibition. Carry laws enable law abiding citizen to fight back against an armed element. For a lack a better way of saying it "the genie is out of the bottle" on guns. You can't get rid of them completely, they are actually quite necessary in many parts of our country, so the best thing to do is let the good people fight back.

 

[Sam1911]

Oh...I thought he meant that he'd have his girlfriend carry the gun so he can grab it when he wants to fire. That's a very common practice right now anyway, as if he's stopped he's not a felon in possession of a firearm, and she might not even be searched. The added bonus in this situation would be that if she's got her permit, then there wouldn't be any crime at all if she held the gun.

So, because gang members' girlfriends might get carry permits and use them for illicit purposes, NO ONE should be lawfully allowed to carry.

Then the gang members and girlfriends will have to continue what they do now (facing a minimal risk of jail time if caught), and you IL guys can continue going through life disarmed. Seems like a fair trade to me! ()

 

[jbrown50]

I live in IL. and the thought of some people carrying concealed is scary. criminals will get their girls to buy and get permit to carry for them.Not to mention our problem le, people! All in all it is not a good idea! Im sorry if this upsets, but we have gone without it until now.

The criminals are already getting their girls to buy guns for them (straw purchasing). They're also already having their girls carry their guns for them. It's a well known tactic. They know that the police rarely search and frisk females because they're rarely wanted, have criminal records, or are directly involved in violent crimes or trafficking.

If you're really scared about all of this how about contacting your political representatives and asking them why the prisons are filled with so many non-violent drug offenders instead of these violent repeat offenders, gangsters, and international drug traffickers.

Or....could it be that law abiding citizens having and carrying guns is what really scares you?

 

[Trent]

And the political machine here marches ever onward.. rolling over the rights of the righteous..

 

[RussellC]

I hate to burst your bubble, but people like that dont follow any laws....removing rights from those who are law abiding is plain stupid, notwithstanding your "scary" feelings.

Russellc

 

[arizona_cards_11]

I too live in IL........and I'm moving to Missouri shortly.

 

[Kingcreek]

I live in Illinois and what scares me is people who think like wolf695

 

[RussellC]

"For the first time a modern country has full gun registration." "The streets will be safer, the police job more efficient." "The world will follow us into the future." Adolph Hitler, 1933.

Nuff said,

Russellc

 

[tomrkba]

I live in Illinois and what scares me is people who think like wolf695

Far too many people in this country think like wolf695.

 

[0to60]

I live in IL. and the thought of some people carrying concealed is scary. criminals will get their girls to buy and get permit to carry for them.Not to mention our problem le, people! All in all it is not a good idea! Im sorry if this upsets, but we have gone without it until now.

I see what you're saying, but it doesn't really matter because the right to BEAR arms is constitutional. The federal court ruled that IL's gun laws are unconstitutional, so they have to change. IL has to abide by the federal constitution.

If that doesn't make you feel any better, consider this: we already have one of the most violent cities in the US. You can't change something by staying the same. One could argue that the current state of affairs here is not yielding us the level of safety we'd like. Why not try something that has had success in other places?

Heartless side note: personally, I'm not all that concerned about the shootings in chicago. Overwhelmingly, its one criminal killing another. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

 

[c4v3man]

"For the first time a modern country has full gun registration." "The streets will be safer, the police job more efficient." "The world will follow us into the future." Adolph Hitler, 1933.

Nuff said,

Russellc

Liked it, bought the bumper sticker, then removed it when I found the quote was unfounded. The underlying premise is correct, however it's not a verified/accurate quote and as such should not be referenced.

Just FYI, no reason to spread misinformation, even if the point being conveyed is accurate.