Justice Dept policy recommendations memo

[Texan Scott]

Ok, here it is. I pared it down as much as possible.

These are verbatim and sequential excerpts from a 4 Jan 2013 policy recommendation memo from the National Institute of Justice (the DOJ's research arm).

They lay everything out clearly. Their recommendations include gun and magazine bans with no exemptions (no grandfathering), buybacks ( which would obviously be compulsory if all possession is criminalized), and universal background checks with 100% registration nationwide as a precursor to future confiscation. This is the whole end game strategy, proposed by the Holder Justice Dept less than 6 weeks ago.

The original document is only 9 pages. I URGE YOU to find it, even if you have to Google for it. It is available as a PDF file. Download it. Save a copy. READ IT FOR YOURSELF. My word means little; get the source document and form your own conclusions.

This link may or may not work, but it's a starting point:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=702992&p=8739561

Summary of Select Firearm Violence Prevention Strategies

Greg Ridgeway, Ph.D. Deputy Director National Institute of Justice

January 4, 2013

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This document provides a cursory summary of select initiatives to reduce firearm violence and an assessment of the evidence for the initiative.

Gun buybacks

Twitter summary: Buybacks are ineffective unless massive and coupled with a ban

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Large capacity magazines restrictions

Twitter summary: Great potential to reduce lethality; requires a massive reduction in supply

Goal: Reduce the lethality of guns by reducing the number of rounds that can be quickly fired.

Program: Restrictions on the manufacture, sale, transfer, and possession of large capacity magazines (usually defined as holding more than 10 rounds).

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Universal background checks

Twitter summary: Effectiveness depends on the ability to reduce straw purchasing, requiring gun registration and an easy gun transfer process

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Require all gun transfers to occur at an FFL

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To be effective, requiring all transfers to occur at an FFL needs to be coupled with all the necessary incentives (or at least no disincentives) for unlicensed sellers to follow the law.

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Gun registration and continuous checks for possession eligibility

Universal checks are insufficient for ensuring that firearm owners remain eligible. (...)

Recovering guns from those that become ineligible is likely effective. (...)

The challenge to implementing this more broadly is that most states do not have a registry of firearm ownership. Currently NICS background checks are destroyed within 24 hours. Some states maintain registration of all firearms. Gun registration aims to 1) increase owner responsibility by directly connecting an owner with a gun, 2) improve law enforcement’s ability to retrieve guns from owners prohibited from possessing firearms.

Gun registration also allows for the monitoring of multiple gun purchases in a short period of time.

 

[Solo]

I wonder where they'd get the money to do this.

Probably by printing more money.

 

[SSN Vet]

But during the campaign, Obama said he wasn't going to take away peoples guns.

So this must be a big mistake.... right?

This was their plan all along, and any body who didn't see through their smoke and BS campaign is (imo) dense as a brick.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

So... in order to be effective, they meed universal background checks, which cannot be effective without registration. Once they have registration they can then pursue the goal of banning possession of semi-auto firearms and detachable magazines.

But according to some on this website, believing the UBCs will lead to the goals described in this NIJ document is just paranoia that makes gun owners "look bad*"

*what is this? High school? I don't give a damn whether people think I'm paranoid or not.

 

[jamesbeat]

They forgot the part where they decide that they want an putright ban of a particular class of firearm and initiate confiscations...

 

[r1derbike]

They forgot the part where they decide that they want an putright ban of a particular class of firearm and initiate confiscations...

They didn't have to. That is already spelled-out in language that doesn't actually say that, but the endgame is very clear; they want it all, eventually! All of it!

 

[vagunmonkey]

But during the campaign, Obama said he wasn't going to take away peoples guns.

So this must be a big mistake.... right?

This was their plan all along, and any body who didn't see through their smoke and BS campaign is (imo) dense as a brick.

If you like youre gun you can keep it... Just like Obama Care "If you like your doctor you can keep them" ???

 

[Texan Scott]

Gents, the take-home on this is that before any UBC or "High-cap" magazine ban reaches a floor vote, our Senators and House Reps need to get a copy of this memo, along with a request that they demand AG Holder confirm or deny its authenticity and whether or not the President had been made aware that the NIJ admitted "assault weapon" bans wouldn't affect crime, magazine bans wouldn't work without confiscation, and UBC won't work without a national registration scheme that involves keeping NICS data in violation of current federal law.

I think it's reasonable to delay any floor vote until these questions are answered. Of course, we know how good the Holder Justice Dept is about answering questions and releasing memos...

 

[Shadow 7D]

We need to make sure that our politician understand that if they vote this one, that it's the last nail in their reelection coffin

 

[radiotom]

Do you guys really think any form of confiscation will pass congress right now?

 

[Plan2Live]

We need to make sure that our politician understand that if they vote this one, that it's the last nail in their reelection coffin

And exactly how are we going to enforce that threat? That's like me telling Mike Tyson I'm going to knock him out. We've had two pro-gun rallies at out State Capital over the past thirty days, one on a weekend and one on a weekday. The turnout was dismal and media coverage was worse. At least half of my family and close acquaintances, many of whom own at least one gun, don't understand why I would be against Universal Background Checks and Magazine Capacity limits. Our closest media ally is Fox News and at least half their on-air staff don't see the need for military style weapons and magazine capacities over 10 rounds. We're outgunned so to speak,we're shooting blanks and they have tanks.

 

[Shadow 7D]

Social media, friends, family, letter writing...
EVERYTHING THE LEFT DOES TO ORGANIZE
we could use their points, while we don't have ghetto's to turn our, nor 100% districts, we can work to ensure that our Senators and Representative will REMEMBER 94, VERY bad year for incumbents.....

 

[Zeke/PA]

Do you guys really think any form of confiscation will pass congress right now?

Probably won't happen THIS week as all those Bozos on Capitol Hill are on a week's recess for President's Day!

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Do you guys really think any form of confiscation will pass congress right now?

Can I come saw off your arm if I promise it won't happen this year? It isn't right now you need to worry about.

 

[Shadow 7D]

It's NOT today
it might not be even this year
or next time
or the time after next

THE POINT IS... that's the END GAME
I will not help the enemy of my freedom.

The left is giving up NOTHING, there is NOTHING to gain, just our rights to lose.

 

[95XL883]

Scott,

Thanks for posting this. I'll be contacting Senators Moran and Roberts and Representative Yoder of Kansas again. This time citing the memo.

 

[SuperNaut]

And exactly how are we going to enforce that threat? That's like me telling Mike Tyson I'm going to knock him out. We've had two pro-gun rallies at out State Capital over the past thirty days, one on a weekend and one on a weekday. The turnout was dismal and media coverage was worse. At least half of my family and close acquaintances, many of whom own at least one gun, don't understand why I would be against Universal Background Checks and Magazine Capacity limits. Our closest media ally is Fox News and at least half their on-air staff don't see the need for military style weapons and magazine capacities over 10 rounds. We're outgunned so to speak,we're shooting blanks and they have tanks.

Mid-Term Elections.

Use your spare dollars to donate to the opposition, use your spare time to campaign against the incumbent, use social media to get the message out, talk to your representatives either via letter-writing campaign, phone calls, or in person, go to protests.

Good old-fashioned activism.

I need to add that this kind of activism is what needs to happen all the time. I can't tell you how many times I've been at our capitol and there are only a handful of 2A guys there. You know who is always there? Our local NRA rep.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

There are a lot of THR members who need to read this; because they seem to be in self-denial about where this train is headed.

 

[Shadow 7D]

But Mr. Roberts, we need to DO SOMETHING (never mentioned the lax enforcement of current laws)
Military rifles are SCARY (never mind that the 2nd is easier to argue based on the journals and notes to be for the preservation of the right to be MORE heavily armed than the government)

And why I don't have a evil gun like that (never mind 'sniper rifle' covers pretty much every 'deer' gun in the US)
They will never take my gun (forgetting the attempt to ban 30-30 as a 'cop killer round'
Certainly this will make the US safer (forgetting the fact that show worsening crime rates in the UK, EU and Australia....)
And certainly I can support 'reasonable' gun control (proposed by those who wish to ban ALL GUNS)

WE CERTAINLY CAN TRUST PEOPLE WHO HAVE PUBLICLY STATED THEY WISH TO BAN ALL GUNS

To do exactly what they say will
BAN GUNS​

Please support reasonable gun control:banghead: use two hands.

 

[316SS]

Scott,

I've notice you've posted this link in several threads, and I've also noticed that most participants in those threads don't seem to have read it or understood its significance. It is significant though, and I thank you for your perseverance in getting the word out about it.