KAHR: a piece O' crap

[jocko]

they take down the same. pop the slide lock lever out , pull the trigger, , the slide comes right off.

 

[fourwedge]

I have an MK9 and it has been 100% reliable so far with 500 rounds down range. It is my CCW in a TTgunleather IWB. Hope to never use it in self defense but I have 100% confidence it will perform if I need it. I liked the solid feel of the stainless better then Plastic! Never liked polymer guns.

 

[UnTainted]

they take down the same. pop the slide lock lever out , pull the trigger, , the slide comes right off.

yeah i don't think it's bad at all. i'm used to a BHP, and it's similar.

 

[hinton03]

Might want to try firing a couple mags left handed; as a defensive pistol I would want to make sure the limp wristing issue would not prevent me from firing with either hand.

 

[damien]

Never had trouble with either of mine - PM9 and MK40. I'm have good upper body strength and limp wristing is not part of my vocabulary, though.

 

[DeepSouth]

I got my wife to shoot it again today. 3 shots meant 3 jams, BUT one wasn't a 'standard' 3 point jam. The slide stop came up once and locked the slide back when there was still a round in the mag. This happened the time I told her to be extra sure she had a good, tight, extra firm grip on the gun.


The gun has still been flawless with me shooting, outside of that one jam about round 40 the last 300+ have been perfect.

 

[m2steven]

I agree that limp wristing a pistol is a real thing. I don't know if it's a real problem with Kahrs in general. I believe you'd have to be using very lightly loaded ammo before a 'limp wrist' would cause a failure to eject and feed.

Neither of my Kahrs has ever had a problem and i shoot one-handed a lot. I've shot many times with a relaxed grip to see how it affected my aim. Never a problem. You'd almost have to just pull the trigger and let the force knock the pistol in the reverse direction of the bullet. The whole theory around the design of a pistol is "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, and a concurrent action to resist the opposite reaction of the first action" If you don't resist the recoil, you don't provide the backstop you need to force all the moving parts to do the job intended for them.

Anyway, it's not a deal for me for whatever reason. I have a strong arm and wrist and it's not a problem.

 

[SwampWolf]

First, the idea that a firearm needs "breaking in" is BS. If it is not reliable out of the box then there is something wrong. I am amazed that there are so many people who believe this BS.

Second, "limp wristing" is another excuse for a defective semi automatic pistol. The correct term is "failure to feed".

You're preaching to the choir on my end. Some people love to compare a car's "need" for a "break-in" to a gun's. Cars run "right-out-of-the-box"; the only reason for breaking one in is to maybe get more life out of them at the end of the day but they all will run. Likewise, in the heat of the battle and upon drawing a pistol when in an awkward position or perhaps from deep cover, one can't be assured that a solid grip can be attained on a handgun for the first shot or immediate subsequent shots and a pistol that requires an inflexible wrist before it functions without jamming is a recipe for an early demise on the part of the user. Way too many pistols (Smith & Wesson, Ruger, HK, Springfield and SIG come to mind), without excuses and without an admonition for "break-in", perform perfectly straight out of the box to settle for anything less.

 

[DAdams]

Kahr POS


I like my PM 9 although it did have to go back to the factory prior to the 200 round breakin conclusion. It has been fine ever since and I have three PD rounds it is good with for sure. I think I will try the Hornady and get it qualified.

I know Larry Seecamp who has been building the Seecamp line up his whole life has gone on record as break in is BS. I tend to agree. Why can't a handgun be good right out of the box? Seating and settling is just an excuse for not taking the time to get it right the first time.

Mine got worse and worse as it approached 200 so perhaps there is some creedance to "break out".

Again, don't get me wrong. I still have mine and like it. It is 20 oz of pistol crammed in a 15 ounce package.

I suspect the .45 would be too much for me to pocket carry so I will stick with the 9, my M&P 340 and Seecamp 380 for that job. Now OWB.....

 

[m2steven]

I think that for a 'made in america" piece of gear, the act of letting the user mate the parts is a good idea as long as it's a reliable process. Kahr's are expensive for a reason, and not because they cut corners designing and producing firearms..It's because it costs a lot to produce them. If they take the time to polish all the parts down, or shoot 200 rounds through each pistol, you're looking at another 100 dollars. People would revolt. Their sales would plummet.

Hey, I've had 2 tauruses, and both required a trip to taurus service. It's not Taurus service that's at fault, it's the cheaply paid guys who dont give a crap at the plant who are causing all the problems. I've had 1 misaligned part on one gun, and on my Taurus Judge - some screws were not even tightened causing the common 'free spinning" cylinder and the whole cylinder assembly to come loose periodically. I'd rather Kahr's expensive labor "give a crap" and do a great job of assembly and Me break it in, than get a gun which will most likely need to go back for what should have been done at the factory. My impression of taurus is they make a fine pistol, they just throw the parts together at the factory. The service (for me at least) from their smiths at the service center has been great. My little 709 is now a Glock reliable pistol which is a superb carry gun I can trust. My Judge hopefully come back from the service center and not fall apart after it's visit. But from looking at the little parts on the judge - they are well made and just need to be reassembled correctly. Just my 2 cents, maybe 3.

But my Kahr's (I have 2) are 100 percent reliable and GREAT pistols.

 

[Prosser]

It's an 18 oz 45 ACP. The range of ammunition you can put through it is huge.
You sort of need to find out what it was designed to shoot, and stay with that.

Shrinking ANY 45 ACP down has been a hard job, for just about everybody.

I WISH I could buy one. Why not call Kahr, and ask them what ammunition they designed as primary for the gun? That would be a good place to start.

What bullet weight, etc.? Spring rate is going to be huge on trying to tune the gun to such a narrow area, and, I'd take all the help I can get.

 

[Ed4032]

I have a PM45 and have had nothing but trouble from it. I am sending back to Kahr for the third time. You name a problem and I have had it with this gun. Kahr's customer service would rate a poor to really poor from me. I bought this because I have a CW9 and absoluetly love it. It has been flawless everytime. However my PM45 is a POS.

 

[DeepSouth]

oh no!

I shot it today and the slide stop came up and locked the slide back while it still 3 rounds in the mag! I have put a good many rounds through it since I last disassembled it and it is the first time this has happened, so I feel like I reassembled it properly.

I'll have to give it a good cleaning (and be extra careful in reassembly) then I'll put a some more rounds through it to see if this was a fluke or if it will be a reoccurring problem. Either way it certainly doesn't help build my confidence in the gun.

 

[1911 Operator]

glad to hear you're having good luck with your kahr.

you're a braver man than I.

i would never buy one due to all the bad reviews.

 

[jocko]

DEEPSOUTH PM sent.

 

[Grayrider]

I hate to suggest something this obvious, but is it possible you are bumping the slide stop with your hand? I have found that I have to be careful with small pistols or I will do that inadvertently since I am used to gripping a 1911 high. It is easy to rule this out by intentionally shooting the gun with a much lower grip--just be sure to hang on tight so you do not produce a "limp wrist" malfunction by letting the gun bobble around too much.

John

 

[DeepSouth]

I have thought of that but my normal grip on the gun puts my thumb WELL below (about an inch) the slide stop, and at this point it would be hard to tell if that was happening because it has only done it this one time in several hundred rounds. More shooting is required.