Charlie98
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Honestly, not that I've seen. My Kahrs have no problems chambering up Speer Gold Dots or Hornady XTP's in any event... even the testy little CM9.
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Honestly, not that I've seen. My Kahrs have no problems chambering up Speer Gold Dots or Hornady XTP's in any event... even the testy little CM9.
Dan-O
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Yes, ball ammo is known to feed better, some 1911’s only feed ball ammo.
And he mentioned that the top round of ball is more of a marker to visualize if a round inadvertently gets stripped off the backup, pocket magazine.
Well, good luck! I spent more money on ammunition trying to get my cm9 to work than I paid for the gun, and the response from Kahr was to keep sending more and more ammo through the pistol. It was a complete waste of time and money. The cm9 has been supplanted by other options since then but it would have been a nice ccw at the time. I'll never own another.
This problem as well a sling shotting the slide when chambering a round has been worked out over on Kahltalk.com.
It involves modifying the mag follower to limit "ammo fanning" in the mag and if you can't handle the modification, you can buy followers at: https://lakelinellc.com/shop-by-model/kahr/
and from Kahr.
Here's a thread on ammo fanning and mag followers:
Inside of 8 round magazine
Have you ever wondered whats going on inside the magazine well I have so I built a jig with the same inside dimensions of a 9mm mag.Now you can see how things work or not work.You will see how compressed the spring really is.This is done all from 8 round magazines I believe my combination of the...
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More, another thread:
Chambering the first round, a slingshot modification - Page 2
Just wondering if there is any interest in a modification to the Kahr 9mm follower that makes chambering a round via the "slingshot method" much easier and consistent (IMO, enough so that they could rewrite the manual). It also seems to hold the top round better and might prevent loss of the...
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I have mod'ed some followers and bought some Lakeline followers as well and have not had any rounds fall out of a pocketed mag and I can ride the slide while loading the 1st round.
jmo,
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Edited to add pics of followers.
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halfmoonclip
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Tilos, thank you. I've been reconsidering another P380, do any of these mods exist for the .380 version? I was on their forum years ago, before I abandoned the brand.
So you know, I had a 9mm version, which jettisoned its front sight, so there's been some history.
Sean, gun companies that claim theirs must be 'broken in' to run really haven't completed the gun before shipping it out. Frankly, previous Kahrs have never had the problem for me; always put some 'confirmation rounds' through a new gun. I've been known to take G42s and P365s straight to the range.
One of the things I like about Glocks and SIGs; their default setting is "they just work".
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My notion was that a top, FMJ round might be better for a hasty chambering after, say, clearing a malf.
I'd always found that Kahrs really needed to be charged from slidelock, which wouldn't be an option in a clearing drill.
A previous P380 really didn't malf; it was just a concern if it did...
Sometimes I worry too much.
Moon
Charlie98
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I drop the slides on my CM9 and PM9 with the slide stop, I can do it any way I want with my CW9's... they don't seem to care. Like any 'short-action' pistol (think, even, a 3" or 4" 1911, etc... where the slide action is shorter than a standard model, and/or because of the low slide mass requires different recoil geometry...) the CM/PM's can be temperamental, that's probably one of the things holding me back from getting a Kahr 380.
Some of those guys have done a lot with those Kahrs... I'll have to trot back over and read about the follower mod. I've done some things... like making a CW45 mag from a standard 1911 mag, etc... but I don't recall seeing the follower mod... thanks!
Every firearm maker kicks out a lemon or two... Kahr is no exception. Their CS is pretty spotty, too... I did not have good luck with them and my faulty P45, and wound up trading it off for another CW9. I was actually standing there at the LGS, buying another CW9, once, and while the dealer was working up the paperwork, I was looking at the pistol. This particular pistol... the trigger had to be pulled back into the frame to get the darned thing to fire, like... crush it. I told him I wanted another pistol, which upset him because he had to do all the paperwork over. I'm sure he just put it back in stock... and eventually, someone else got it. I'm not a big fan of beta testing on customers, or making the customers be their QC department... so I feel your pain... but one pistol is not the entire lineup from a manufacturer. FWIW, some people did the same thing with Kimber... bad QC and CS... even though I've never had problem one with my 3 Kimbers. Conversely, I've had nothing but trouble with my Ruger revolvers.... sooooo, it's everywhere.
Some of those guys have done a lot with those Kahrs... I'll have to trot back over and read about the follower mod. I've done some things... like making a CW45 mag from a standard 1911 mag, etc... but I don't recall seeing the follower mod... thanks!
Every firearm maker kicks out a lemon or two... Kahr is no exception. Their CS is pretty spotty, too... I did not have good luck with them and my faulty P45, and wound up trading it off for another CW9. I was actually standing there at the LGS, buying another CW9, once, and while the dealer was working up the paperwork, I was looking at the pistol. This particular pistol... the trigger had to be pulled back into the frame to get the darned thing to fire, like... crush it. I told him I wanted another pistol, which upset him because he had to do all the paperwork over. I'm sure he just put it back in stock... and eventually, someone else got it. I'm not a big fan of beta testing on customers, or making the customers be their QC department... so I feel your pain... but one pistol is not the entire lineup from a manufacturer. FWIW, some people did the same thing with Kimber... bad QC and CS... even though I've never had problem one with my 3 Kimbers. Conversely, I've had nothing but trouble with my Ruger revolvers.... sooooo, it's everywhere.
Yes, I read somewhere that Kahr now has a fixture that racks an assembled gun xxx-times before shipping.
I cannot confirm this though ...
I don't even know if they dis-assemble and clean out the plastic slivers after that racking, but I do, after the hand racking.
I do that hand racking routine on ALL new autos.
jmo,
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I am spoiled with the P365, which will chamber a round even with a sloppy ride-the-slide rack. It will even chamber resized, spent brass.
One thing that helps on the SIG; the really aggressive racking grooves; it facilitates grip.
Agree on the reservation about the .380 Kahr; really would prefer one as an alternative to an LCP.
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Good grief!Yes, I read somewhere that Kahr now has a fixture that racks an assembled gun xxx-times before shipping.
I cannot confirm this though ...
Moon
I'm not sure the follower mod would help on a 380, maybe search the 380 threads on Kahrtalk.com...
I went to the Lakeline website and didn't see any Kahr 380 followers for sale, so there's that.
Followers are cheap though, and could be mod'ed to find out whether it would help.
I would order a new follower and have it on hand before I mod'ed the one I have though.
jmo,
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Food for thought. I live in terror of modifying OEM magazines...I'm reminded of what a knowledgeable poster said over on the Walther board. "Magazine making is part art and part science."
I'll need to get back on the Kahr board, and appreciate your research....thanks!
Moon
And I recall all the 380s are 6+1 so ammo fanning would be less than in any 7 or 8 round mag, plus 380 cases have less taper.
I hear you on mag mods, as you can only remove material, not add any.
Now with 3D printing mag followers could be printed with added material anywhere!
I have added material to mag followers via JB weld as an experiment but would never use it in a carry gun.
FYI, it did function better, and I sent it off to Lakeline, many years ago.
I worked with another Kahr owner in developing a different flush mag base plate to replace the OEM metal plate that had a big gap and would bite your pinkie.
We found the plastic frame length varied a lot and custom fitting would be required to eliminate the gap.
Now, most just put on an O-ring to fill that gap.
I went on to cutting down a 7 round Kahr base plate:
To end up with this:
Much better than the metal base plate.
I have moved on from carry Kahrs and now carry true DAO guns for the added simplicity/double strike and safety.
jmo,
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Armybrat
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I posted something about that at Kahrtalk earlier this year.Yes, I read somewhere that Kahr now has a fixture that racks an assembled gun xxx-times before shipping.
I cannot confirm this though ...
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Got it from a 2018 American Rifleman review:
An Official Journal Of The NRA | Tested: Kahr S9 Pistol
An upgrade over the company’s similar CW9, the new S Series offers value-added features such as three-dot sights, forward slide cocking serrations, an accessory rail and two magazines.
”Previous models had recommended in their manuals that the guns be broken-in with at least 200 rounds of ammunition, however, the cost of this break-in procedure dissuaded some potential customers from buying a CW9. Kahr’s solution was to build a hydraulic fixture to cycle each gun hundreds of times before shipping it out. This process breaks loose any microscopic burs and burnishes the metal parts, in effect, breaking the gun in at the factory. Additionally, the chamber of the barrel is polished and honed. Kahr states that the S9 should be ready to carry straight from the box, although a prudent person will test any new gun with his or her desired carry ammunition.”
Thanks for posting that link...I posted something about that at Kahrtalk earlier this year.
Got it from a 2018 American Rifleman review:
An Official Journal Of The NRA | Tested: Kahr S9 Pistol
An upgrade over the company’s similar CW9, the new S Series offers value-added features such as three-dot sights, forward slide cocking serrations, an accessory rail and two magazines.www.americanrifleman.org
”Previous models had recommended in their manuals that the guns be broken-in with at least 200 rounds of ammunition, however, the cost of this break-in procedure dissuaded some potential customers from buying a CW9. Kahr’s solution was to build a hydraulic fixture to cycle each gun hundreds of times before shipping it out. This process breaks loose any microscopic burs and burnishes the metal parts, in effect, breaking the gun in at the factory. Additionally, the chamber of the barrel is polished and honed. Kahr states that the S9 should be ready to carry straight from the box, although a prudent person will test any new gun with his or her desired carry ammunition.”
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When I bought a Kahr K9 many years ago I was informed of the 200rd+ break in period. Didn't bother me a bit. I looked at it as a break in period for both the pistol
and me. That 200rds+ smoothed out the pistol and gave me practice and experience shooting it. No big deal. I do that with any new firearm, finding out the trigger feel,
the POA, the ammo it likes, the grip, the recoil etc.
and me. That 200rds+ smoothed out the pistol and gave me practice and experience shooting it. No big deal. I do that with any new firearm, finding out the trigger feel,
the POA, the ammo it likes, the grip, the recoil etc.
Charlie98
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I guess that would be a zero-sum game... I would not arbitrarily pump 200 rounds through a new pistol just to 'break it in,' but rather, as you say, as a 'get to know you,' which, if you are not used to the Kahr's trigger, isn't a bad idea. I guess it's a means to two different ends...
I just did the same thing recently, with my new Springfield SA-35 HiPower. I didn't shoot it to break it in, I shot it because I wanted to shoot it.
My disappointment came from the factory response to my issues which seemed to be well known, and an unfriendly welcome at the Kahr forum while seeking assistance. I knew about the 200 round break in period but paying return shipping twice and then being asked to repeat the 200 round break in period each time is absurd. I don't fault anyone for the occasional lemon, these are commodity priced pistols after all. My cheapest used firearms have been some of the most reliable and two of the Rugers I purchased new were junk (LCP) or out of spec (LCR with a cylinder gap twice the acceptable limit). Ruger was quick to assist with the LCR and the LCP was sold cheap with full disclosure. I only sent maybe one or two boxes through that gun and gave up. Possibly it would have worked out fine with more break in and the new owner got a good deal.
I'm looking closely at the new kimber k6xs as a replacement for the LCR. It's been a great snubbie but that extra round is taunting me.
*edit* Forgot to mention a Ruger sp101 that was DOA. Simple fix. Rust on the hammer dog had seized the action.
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Why were you expected to pay shipping on a new, malfunctioning pistol? Kahr didn't give you a return authorization mailer? Twice?
If there are no qualifying explanation, reason enough to avoid Kahr products.
Moon
