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Kahr CW9 vs. Taurus pt709

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Holgersen, May 5, 2010.

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  1. Holgersen

    Holgersen Member

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    I'm looking to get a new pistol. I've been carrying a Bersa Thunder CC .380 now since it's been getting hot in my neck of the woods, but I always feel bad leaving my .45 or 9mm at home. So I've been looking for something that packs more of a punch but is small.

    I've been looking at the Kahr CW9. I'd love to get a PM9 or P9 but they are way out of my price range. I was at the gun shop today and looked at the Taurus pt709 and thought it felt pretty good. They seem about the same size. I think the CW9 is a little lighter.

    Any thoughts? I'm leaning toward the Kahr. I've always looked at Taurus as an option but their bad reviews always scared me away.

    (Also don't tell me to change my wardrobe. I carried my block of a .45 all last summer and sweated like a pig trying to conceal it properly. I'm determined to stay comfortable this year.)
     
  2. jfrey

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    The CW9 is a great pistol, especially for those of us who live in the warmer section of the country. It is light, accurate and easy to conceal. The CW9 is basically a P9 without the fancy window dressing. I actually prefer it to the P9. Go with the Kahr instead of the Taurus. You will be happier in the long run. I'm not bashing the Taurus, I have them too, but the Kahr is a better pistol in my opinion.
     
  3. dp509

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    My vote is for the Kahr

    I agee, go with the Kahr. You will love it. I sold mine only to upgrade.

    I have holsters if you are left handed IWB and Paddle.
     
  4. Ben86

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    I say get the kahr, I wish I had. I bought the 709 before I knew the CW9 existed. The 709 is a great gun an all, but I like the look and feel of the Kahr better. I really appreciate the fact that it has a full grip, but is about the same size as the 709. Considering that they are about the same price I wish I had done better homework.
     
  5. wild cat mccane

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    OP keep in mind Tauras has a lifetime warranty of the gun.

    Kahr has a 5 year warranty to original owner.

    Insert personal experience horror stories regardless of these FACTS:
     
  6. oasis618

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    I have fairly large hands and I prefer the way the Kahr feels over the Taurus. Taurus does offer a better warranty but there are those who will argue how often that warranty will need to be used. I've personally never owned a Taurus so I won't speculate their reliablity vs. Kahr.
     
  7. rygould

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    I don't have the CW9, but I carry the CW40. Have been nothing but THRILLED with it.

    Not a single hiccup, and it's a fair price for a basic handgun from a reputable manufacture.

    A couple things to be aware of with the Karhs. While the gun is a decent price, factory mags are expensive for what they are, and they aren't much. Not the nicest quality mags I have seen by a long shot. Also it will require a break in period that the manufacture suggests. Something around 200+ rounds. A lot of people have FTE, FTF problems during the break in period, but they tend to run smooth after they loosen up a bit.

    Personally, even through the break in period, mine never had a single problem. It was a little uncomfortable to shoot because the checkering is a bit aggressive, and it would rub on the web of my hand between the thumb and index finger. After putting a handall Jr. from Houge on the grip, it is much easier to hold and comfortably put a couple boxes down range with, but YMMV.

    The CW series is very light, very slim, and durable. Mine still looks new and it's been around the block a few times. The size has been perfect for me and it forget I'm carrying most days. It's definitely a gun I would trust my life to, and do. It's the cheapest gun I have, and the one I carry the most often. I'd say it's a winner overall!
     
  8. RyanM

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    Kahr sent me a free mag for a 10 year old gun that I bought used, that was having some problems (turned out to not be mag related and was easily fixed, though). A friend of mine had his gun repaired for just the cost of shipping to them (they footed the shipping back), that he bought used, though I think it was younger than 5 years.

    There's sometimes a difference between a company's warranty on paper, and the real warranty.
     
  9. tfields

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    my wife carries a cw9 she loves it!! dont know about the 709 but i'd go with the cw9!
     
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    I think the 709 looks very appealing, except for the fact you cant shoot +p ammo out of it. That alone means the 709 isn't an option for me.
    Just my .02
     
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    I looked at both, went with the CW9, never looked back.
     
  12. Ala Dan

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    I own the Kahr CW-9 [9m/m semi-auto]; (can't say that for the Tauri 709),
    and its been 100% reliable from day one, with all types of ammo. Its very
    easy to keep a full magazine in an 8" pie plate from 15 yards out; as this
    little weapon has excellent sights~! :scrutiny: ;) :D
     
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    Owned both. Sold 709. Kept Kahr CW9. EXCELLENT light casual dress carry gun.
     
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    I own a couple of Taurus pistols. I have two Kahrs. I don't think you can compare the two. the Kahr is way way above the Taurus in quality, feel, and function.
     
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    I have a PM40 and love it. I've sold the few Taurus pistols I've owned over time...never been pleased with them.
     
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    Get the KAHR
     
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    I have both. I still can't decide. I go back and forth when carrying. I favor the CW grip. But I LOVE the 709 trigger. The 709 is more accurate because of the trigger. Either one is a great choice.
     
  18. Holgersen

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    I think I've made my decision. I'm going with the Kahr. I found some reviews of the 709 and they didn't look good. It's basically what has kept me away from Taurus in the past. There are always as many horror stories as there are people that are happy. Thanks for the input everyone.
     
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    Glad I don't scare so easily. I'd never have owned three of the best DA revolvers I've ever owned if I disregarded Taurus.

    I wouldn't want a gun not rated for +P, though. I'm quite happy with my Kel Tec and carry +P. Don't need either CW9 OR PT709. I'm sure they're both good guns, though. Just that I bought my P11 14 years ago before either the CW9 or PT709 were dreamed of and my P11 ain't broke, so I won't fix it. :D Customer service is great and warranty is lifetime.
     
  20. Defense Minister

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    Of the two, based on the mixed reviews I've read about the Taurus, I'd go with the Kahr. I do, however, think you owe it to yourself to consider the Kel-Tec PF-9. Mine has been 100% through 500+rounds, as was my P-11, and it will handle +p ammo fine if it's not a steady diet. Just make sure you keep the extractor spring screw tight.;)
     
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    On the second page of their catalog (mid right hand corner) it says that all taurus handguns are rated for a "steady diet" of +P ammo. http://www.taurususa.com/2010catalog/?catalog_page=2

    I'm not sure why people say otherwise. I've run some hot stuff through mine without any problems.
     
  23. The Bushmaster

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    Let's see here...We are talking about a Kahr or a Taurus. Right? The delema is which junk gun I want to trust my life with. Right?

    I really don't see the problem here. Check out other manufacturers of quality firearms first.
     
  24. gofastman

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    Call up Taurus. they will tell you very clearly the 709 is NOT rated for +p ammo, despite what their catalog says. :banghead:
     
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    :rolleyes: Oh boy, there's the stuff.

    Then again, over the years I've heard people refer to just about everything as "junk", so what's new.
     
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