Kahr MK9....thumbs up or down?
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^^^I am sorry, my experiences and research was only on the PM9. Trust me i read the the same threads right here. I have been a member here since 2006 and if i had a dollar for every post about FTFs with PM9s i would stop working. The glock issue you mention is a one time thing with one batch of guns. I read the same damn posts for two years about the PM9s. Again, name one of the top manufacturers such as Sig, HK, Glock, Walther that ask you to shoot x amount of rounds before "things loosen up." And no i dont consider Para a top manufacturer
No offense.
Personally if "things loosen up" after 200 rounds on a handgun i dont want that gun. This is not a engine that you have to break in or a precision rifle. I have a Sig 226 that i purchased in 1991 that has over 25,000 rounds thru it, and is as tight as day one.
No offense. Personally if "things loosen up" after 200 rounds on a handgun i dont want that gun. This is not a engine that you have to break in or a precision rifle. I have a Sig 226 that i purchased in 1991 that has over 25,000 rounds thru it, and is as tight as day one.
alpha. B.S. and especially on ur sig with 25,000 rounds. Just my opinion course your back in the 2006 era still living in the past.
Do you know if that was a one time issue with glock. 1200 guns is certainly nothing to brag about... But heh what do I know I only own two karhs, one polymer with over 18,000 rounds and one steel with 4000 rounds and neighter have ever given an issue, course I am talking about today not back on 06..
very interesting, reading on the AR15.com forum under the sig thread, sure alot of unhappy sig owners on there, Humm must be glock trolls or kahr trolls, , can't be sigs. Just can't be..
Do you know if that was a one time issue with glock. 1200 guns is certainly nothing to brag about... But heh what do I know I only own two karhs, one polymer with over 18,000 rounds and one steel with 4000 rounds and neighter have ever given an issue, course I am talking about today not back on 06..
very interesting, reading on the AR15.com forum under the sig thread, sure alot of unhappy sig owners on there, Humm must be glock trolls or kahr trolls, , can't be sigs. Just can't be..
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^^^ Thanks for just insulting me and calling me a liar. I have owned the Sig 226 since since 1991. For six years i reloaded my own rounds and purchased 15,000 primers during those six years that i reloaded and shot. Since 1997 i have put down over 10,000 rounds. I am not like some people that polish their guns every week and do a circle jerk. I am at the range twice a week and shoot 500+rns/week. If you are not good at math, show somebody else and maybe they can calculate it for you
I have taken at least 2-Magpul Dynamics handgun classes that took 1500+rnds per weekend. I have no reason to lie or B.S. you. If you dont believe me i will take a snap shot of my ammo stash so you can see how much ammo i go thru. I just ordered another 20,000 rnds of 9mm. I will post a picture for you when it arrives. Please do not insult me again. You are happy with your Kahr, that is nice. I have my opinion, you keep yours. You dont need to get offended because I have had 2 bad Kahrs.
I am not a Sig troll either. I own HK, Sig, Walther, SA XD etc etc.
I have taken at least 2-Magpul Dynamics handgun classes that took 1500+rnds per weekend. I have no reason to lie or B.S. you. If you dont believe me i will take a snap shot of my ammo stash so you can see how much ammo i go thru. I just ordered another 20,000 rnds of 9mm. I will post a picture for you when it arrives. Please do not insult me again. You are happy with your Kahr, that is nice. I have my opinion, you keep yours. You dont need to get offended because I have had 2 bad Kahrs.
I am not a Sig troll either. I own HK, Sig, Walther, SA XD etc etc.
^^^ You must have reading difficulties buddy. Can you read where i say "OVER 25000 rounds"? I have shot at least that amount. Having shot +25,000 rounds is a lot more plausible since 1991 than your estimated 18,200 rounds in 18 months, lol what a joke.
People should keep in mind that their personal experience with a pistol, while important to them, is statistically insignificant. Jocko's ultra reliable MP9 may be an anomaly. Someone else's jam-o-matic may be. They might both be outliers on the extremes. One case being true doesn't forcedly make the other false either. Acting as if one's personal experience with a pistol must be representative of all such pistols is a bit silly and makes one appear rather foolish.
Until a random representative sample is taken and tested it is not really possible to know reliably about a given model. The plural of antidote is not data, and the singular even less so. Further more on the internet with no way of independently verifying claims they lose what little persuasive power antidotal evidence has in the first place. I am very wary of people that seem to have too much of a stake in the discussion and come across as blind followers or impassioned apologists. I am as wary of them as the haters that have never even fired the weapons they love to deride. I have weapons I am very satisfied with personally yet have no problem acknowledging other exemplars of the same make and model have issues.
Further I would submit that bringing up incidents of dissatisfaction with other makes of pistols contributes very little to the point of issue at hand. The point is well taken that any mass produced item has lemons. Every maker of guns has some roll of the factory line with problems. It is also true that some have many more than others.
As to the issue of poly Khars vs steel ones. There seems to be a basic admission that early versions were problematic. Some would contend that all such issues are resolved. That said, one can still find reports of people unhappy with the newer polymer guns such as the PM9. Others report being happy. My personal opinion, and it is just that, is that one stands a better chance of getting a highly reliable pistol from khar if it is steel framed not polymer. That doesn't mean one cannot get a great P gun, or even that I'm right.
Now for my antidotes: I have a K9 is has been a reliable gun. I bought it used and had one issue. The front sight fell off. I sent it to khar and they quickly repaired it and returned it. They offered good customer service, even better considering it was a second hand pistol and I have no way to know what caused the problem with the sight. I would feel confident to buy a MK9. I have been considering a CW9 or a PM9 but I do question their reliability vis a vis the other guns I am looking at. My concerns may be unfounded.
Until a random representative sample is taken and tested it is not really possible to know reliably about a given model. The plural of antidote is not data, and the singular even less so. Further more on the internet with no way of independently verifying claims they lose what little persuasive power antidotal evidence has in the first place. I am very wary of people that seem to have too much of a stake in the discussion and come across as blind followers or impassioned apologists. I am as wary of them as the haters that have never even fired the weapons they love to deride. I have weapons I am very satisfied with personally yet have no problem acknowledging other exemplars of the same make and model have issues.
Further I would submit that bringing up incidents of dissatisfaction with other makes of pistols contributes very little to the point of issue at hand. The point is well taken that any mass produced item has lemons. Every maker of guns has some roll of the factory line with problems. It is also true that some have many more than others.
As to the issue of poly Khars vs steel ones. There seems to be a basic admission that early versions were problematic. Some would contend that all such issues are resolved. That said, one can still find reports of people unhappy with the newer polymer guns such as the PM9. Others report being happy. My personal opinion, and it is just that, is that one stands a better chance of getting a highly reliable pistol from khar if it is steel framed not polymer. That doesn't mean one cannot get a great P gun, or even that I'm right.
Now for my antidotes: I have a K9 is has been a reliable gun. I bought it used and had one issue. The front sight fell off. I sent it to khar and they quickly repaired it and returned it. They offered good customer service, even better considering it was a second hand pistol and I have no way to know what caused the problem with the sight. I would feel confident to buy a MK9. I have been considering a CW9 or a PM9 but I do question their reliability vis a vis the other guns I am looking at. My concerns may be unfounded.
u gotta go with ur gut feelings.If your not comfortable with a polymer kahr, then buy the steel. I have never seen a shot out kahr yet be it steel or polymer, so my concerns for either are none. if I was going to IWB or OWB , a steel kahr would be one on my list, but for inside the pocket carry the polymers rules the roost, for me anyway. Coursemy two kahrs are and have been perfect, . One steel , one polymer.
point, game, match.
point, game, match.
The all steel Kahrs are world class. The plastic Kahrs hurt their rep.
A K-9 or MK-9 is about as good as it gets. A P-9 or PM9 is hit or miss. Mostly miss from my experience.
MK-9 is a bit heavy but it is well made and it works. What more do you want?
A K-9 or MK-9 is about as good as it gets. A P-9 or PM9 is hit or miss. Mostly miss from my experience.
MK-9 is a bit heavy but it is well made and it works. What more do you want?
Kahr CW9 vs. Kel Tec PF9
I have owned several KT products over the years, P-11, P-3AT and currently my wife has a P-32. I anxiously awaited the arrival of the PF-9 and bought one as soon as one was available. From day 1, it was a disappointment: FTF, FTE and magazine followers that did not function properly.
I began to frequent forums that discussed the PF-9 and discovered that hundreds of emails have been sent back and forth between PF-9 owners in regard to correcting the various faults with the weapon.
To make a long story short, the gun is gone and good riddance, a Kahr CW9 rides on my hip now and remains my primary CCW carry weapon.
Now I expect to see numerous posts chastising me for not giving the PF-9 a chance to "break-in." After more than 500-700 rounds of constant FTF and FTE and magazine jams, I gave it all the time I felt necessary, and didn't want to play the fluff and buff game plus the filing down of various parts folderol, that should have been taken care of at the factory. One should not have to be a amateur gunsmith get a weapon functioning properly, especially one that is carried for protection.
The other weapon I carry is the Taurus Millennium PT45 Pro, another excellent, dependable CCW carry gun.
I have owned several KT products over the years, P-11, P-3AT and currently my wife has a P-32. I anxiously awaited the arrival of the PF-9 and bought one as soon as one was available. From day 1, it was a disappointment: FTF, FTE and magazine followers that did not function properly.
I began to frequent forums that discussed the PF-9 and discovered that hundreds of emails have been sent back and forth between PF-9 owners in regard to correcting the various faults with the weapon.
To make a long story short, the gun is gone and good riddance, a Kahr CW9 rides on my hip now and remains my primary CCW carry weapon.
Now I expect to see numerous posts chastising me for not giving the PF-9 a chance to "break-in." After more than 500-700 rounds of constant FTF and FTE and magazine jams, I gave it all the time I felt necessary, and didn't want to play the fluff and buff game plus the filing down of various parts folderol, that should have been taken care of at the factory. One should not have to be a amateur gunsmith get a weapon functioning properly, especially one that is carried for protection.
The other weapon I carry is the Taurus Millennium PT45 Pro, another excellent, dependable CCW carry gun.
denfoote
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So, Duke,
Did you ever get that MK9???
Did you ever get that MK9???
geronimo509
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2 thumbs up for the MK9, and spring for the Elite 03. I have a regular one and an Elite 03. The regular one had a slide stop issue but it is being fixed. The Elite is flawless!
Thumbs up from me. I loved my MK9, but sold it due to moving to a non-carry state.
The small size is great, and while it has weight I don't think it's an issue for carrying, and it helps make for an easier shooting gun.
I didn't have any problems at all other than things being a bit tight upon purchase.
The small size is great, and while it has weight I don't think it's an issue for carrying, and it helps make for an easier shooting gun.
I didn't have any problems at all other than things being a bit tight upon purchase.
Anna's Dad
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I've sold a bunch of guns. The MK9 is the only one I regret selling. I didn't really need it and never carried it (too heavy for pocket carry, IMO) which is why I convinced myself to sell it.
In retrospect, I just like the way it looked and felt and really should have kept it.
In retrospect, I just like the way it looked and felt and really should have kept it.
rebut
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I've been a Sig guy for many years...love them (225, 226 and 239)...I recently picked up a Glock to be a "come along" with a matching KT Sub 2000 and love it...I also bought both a Kahr MK9 (first) then a Kahr PM9 (both this year). I guess I'm blessed. Aside from "first mag" FTE issues, be they KT, Glock or Kahr, all have been perfect. Let's stick to the Kahrs for now. Both have had 500+rounds through them and been, surprisingly accurate as well as very reliable. I hope the FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) from the "few" has not caused you or anyone else shy away from the MK9...it's a great gun!!
I've been a Sig guy for many years...love them (225, 226 and 239)...I recently picked up a Glock to be a "come along" with a matching KT Sub 2000 and love it...I also bought both a Kahr MK9 (first) then a Kahr PM9 (both this year). I guess I'm blessed. Aside from "first mag" FTE issues, be they KT, Glock or Kahr, all have been perfect. Let's stick to the Kahrs for now. Both have had 500+rounds through them and been, surprisingly accurate as well as very reliable. I hope the FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) from the "few" has not caused you or anyone else shy away from the MK9...it's a great gun!!
rebut
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BTW, the PM9 comes with the "Elite" trigger and the MK9 does not. I can not detect a significant difference between them (maybe I got lucky with the MK9...or unlucky with the PM9, I don't know) but if the only other difference between the standard MK9 and the Elite is the polished finish, I'd go with the standard (for the price).
rebut, they both come with the elite trigger. The only kahr that has the NYPD trigger is the K9. The only difference between the two is the NYPD tirgger is 1/2' travel, where as the elite is 3/8" travel. I have a k9 with the NYPD trigger and a PM9 witht he elite trigger and honestly can't tell the difference..
rebut
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Kahr Triggers
Jocko, maybe something has changed in recent years (what hasn't?). When I bought my MK9 (not the Elite model), I was under the impression that it did not come with the "Elite" trigger. On the other hand, I read that the PM9 did come with the Elite trigger. I was expecting to feel a significant difference but did not. Maybe the standard MK9 now comes with the elite trigger. BONUS for me.
Jocko, maybe something has changed in recent years (what hasn't?). When I bought my MK9 (not the Elite model), I was under the impression that it did not come with the "Elite" trigger. On the other hand, I read that the PM9 did come with the Elite trigger. I was expecting to feel a significant difference but did not. Maybe the standard MK9 now comes with the elite trigger. BONUS for me.
Dan-O
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Weenis,
Nice stippling on the front strap. Who did that for you?
Jocko is at it again. How are you friend? Any word from Ms. DePorter on when the 380's are actually gonna start shipping.....in bulk?
Nice stippling on the front strap. Who did that for you?
Jocko is at it again. How are you friend? Any word from Ms. DePorter on when the 380's are actually gonna start shipping.....in bulk?
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