I presume that 7rd mags with grip extensions will be available for use with the P45. So, we have the possibility of the best of both worlds: a factory direct or "home brew" P45 Covert. This will allow a 4 inch barrel for better ballistics and sight radius, a full length forward grip offered by the grip extension, and a reduced butt signature of the P45 (much like a bobtail does for a 1911) for improved concealability.
Kahr P-series durability?
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I presume that 7rd mags with grip extensions will be available for use with the P45. So, we have the possibility of the best of both worlds: a factory direct or "home brew" P45 Covert. This will allow a 4 inch barrel for better ballistics and sight radius, a full length forward grip offered by the grip extension, and a reduced butt signature of the P45 (much like a bobtail does for a 1911) for improved concealability.
jayp
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I have a PM 40. New out of the box, failure to return to battery in about 50% of the magzines fired, even after the 200 round break in. Returned to Kahr, they noted they replaced the slide and barrel. (It didn't take Kahr long at all- the gun was back in about 14 days.) Took it back to the range- better but not 100%, a few incidences of the slide locking back with rounds remaining in the gun and a couple of failures to return to battery. All easily fixable by racking the slide back. I'm gonna take it back to the range before making a final judgement.
I think it can be said that, if you get a polymer framed Kahr, there is a chance you will have to work with it it get it 100%. Some folks are willing to do that because there is really no other major caliber pistol that is so size and weight efficient.
I also have a S&W 642 J frame .38. No doubt that it will go bang X5 every time.
I think it can be said that, if you get a polymer framed Kahr, there is a chance you will have to work with it it get it 100%. Some folks are willing to do that because there is really no other major caliber pistol that is so size and weight efficient.
I also have a S&W 642 J frame .38. No doubt that it will go bang X5 every time.
mhowardconsult
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PM9
Kahr has a recall on a certain serial number range for barrels. They know of the defect and did not ask for the serial number of my gun
when I called in the first time and explained the feed failure.
The more I find out about this company the worst it gets. Now customer service is blaming bad service on a guy that left a few weeks ago which was before my first call. :banghead:
I just want the company to stand behind the product but I get a run around and I am supposed to recieve the spring this coming week.
Sending this piece of
back and paying out of my pocket for the honor of having it fixed (maybe) is ridiculous. 
Maybe I should send it to Glock as an example of Kahr quality control since Kahr likes to bang on Glock as a Block. Not that I am a Glock fan since they have their own problems.
I wonder how many Kahr owners actually read the break in and followed it? Since NYPD has approved this I wonder how many cops are walking around with a defective firearm and do not know it.
I continue to carry my mod 36 which has always and will always go bang.
Kahr has a recall on a certain serial number range for barrels. They know of the defect and did not ask for the serial number of my gun
when I called in the first time and explained the feed failure. The more I find out about this company the worst it gets. Now customer service is blaming bad service on a guy that left a few weeks ago which was before my first call. :banghead:
I just want the company to stand behind the product but I get a run around and I am supposed to recieve the spring this coming week.
Sending this piece of
back and paying out of my pocket for the honor of having it fixed (maybe) is ridiculous. Maybe I should send it to Glock as an example of Kahr quality control since Kahr likes to bang on Glock as a Block. Not that I am a Glock fan since they have their own problems.
I wonder how many Kahr owners actually read the break in and followed it? Since NYPD has approved this I wonder how many cops are walking around with a defective firearm and do not know it.
I continue to carry my mod 36 which has always and will always go bang.
The Lone Haranguer
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I have a PM9. It required a trip back to the factory -- who replaced the barrel and recoil spring -- to correct a major functioning problem. I only have about 600 rounds through it (250 of those since the repair), but it shows no sign of battering or other excessive wear. It did have a few metal and plastic shavings -- evident when I stripped it down for cleaning -- early on, but none since.
Thomas has written some good articles for Handguns in the past, but IMO also has a tendency to repeat rumors and scuttlebutt. What is a "life expectancy"? Is that when the gun self-destructs like the recording tape in the old Mission: Impossible TV show? When it needs major components like slide, frame or barrel replaced? Or when small parts (e.g., springs) start breaking? I don't think, though, that we can or should expect any of these guns to have the "life expectancy" of a military/police service pistol. Any time you put a powerful cartridge in such a small and light gun (especially the .40 which combines .357 Magnum chamber pressure and .45 ACP recoil), it stands to reason you are going to get more battering on things.
Thomas has written some good articles for Handguns in the past, but IMO also has a tendency to repeat rumors and scuttlebutt. What is a "life expectancy"? Is that when the gun self-destructs like the recording tape in the old Mission: Impossible TV show? When it needs major components like slide, frame or barrel replaced? Or when small parts (e.g., springs) start breaking? I don't think, though, that we can or should expect any of these guns to have the "life expectancy" of a military/police service pistol. Any time you put a powerful cartridge in such a small and light gun (especially the .40 which combines .357 Magnum chamber pressure and .45 ACP recoil), it stands to reason you are going to get more battering on things.If memory serves, some companies have openly admitted that their weapons are not expected to last beyond X rounds. Beretta reportedly made this statement about the Tomcat.
For what it's worth, Kahr responded to my e-mail on this issue. Authors are told that all the models are tested for 5-6000 rounds but this is not in any way the life expectancy. The article had a missprint and a correction is forthcoming.
flashman70
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Got a P9 in Sept. and so far have only put 400 rounds through it. Not a hiccup using WWB. I agree w/ earlier post that for the bucks the finish on the frame/rails could be better. Otherwise it is accurate and reliable. Even though my hands are small I liked the longer grip on the P9 to that of the PM9.
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saga of the paper weight
Got the new spring finally after over a month of of phone calls emails and waiting. Functions better but not 100% so since it has one intended purpose in life (ie concealed carry) it still is of no use.
So now I get to go thru phone hell with customer service to get this pile returned for repair.
Got the new spring finally after over a month of of phone calls emails and waiting. Functions better but not 100%
so since it has one intended purpose in life (ie concealed carry) it still is of no use. So now I get to go thru phone hell with customer service to get this pile returned for repair.
boldkharma
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I had a Kahr P40 fram crack on me first day on the range. I won't own another plastic Kahr. My K9 was rock solid but it is gone now.
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mhoward
If your demeanor on the phone with Kahr is anything like the way you come across here, I'm surprised they talk to you at all.
I had a minor problem with my PM9. Talked to Dottie Herold on the phone. I was polite, I had pictures ready to email, and did not make demands or throw a tantrum. She offered to have a look. Slide/barrel/recoil spring (upper half) sent in by USPS (without the frame, it is not a "firearm" and does not require FFL. Cost me about $8 to send it in.
During the time it was gone, she called me twice to give me updates and choices. Entire new upper half was back in my hands a week later.
I immediately took it to the range and ran 150 rounds through it. Perfect.
Then I emailed her back, gave her an update and thanked her for her efforts.
Try a fresh approach--your current one isn't working.
BTW, I also own a Kahr P45--works just great, weighs about 75% of what a 3" alloy 1911 does, and half of a full size steel one.
If your demeanor on the phone with Kahr is anything like the way you come across here, I'm surprised they talk to you at all.
I had a minor problem with my PM9. Talked to Dottie Herold on the phone. I was polite, I had pictures ready to email, and did not make demands or throw a tantrum. She offered to have a look. Slide/barrel/recoil spring (upper half) sent in by USPS (without the frame, it is not a "firearm" and does not require FFL. Cost me about $8 to send it in.
During the time it was gone, she called me twice to give me updates and choices. Entire new upper half was back in my hands a week later.
I immediately took it to the range and ran 150 rounds through it. Perfect.
Then I emailed her back, gave her an update and thanked her for her efforts.
Try a fresh approach--your current one isn't working.
BTW, I also own a Kahr P45--works just great, weighs about 75% of what a 3" alloy 1911 does, and half of a full size steel one.
mhowardconsult
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I got that kind of run around by being polite. The customer service is very poor. So no I don't bash on them on the phone but do it here so others may be aware of problems with the PM9 and /or Kahr products. Fortunately I always test fire a weapon a few hundred rounds prior to trusting it for anything. In this case it took 2 new recoil springs to get it right and about 700 rounds. It finally is useful for it's intended purpose. So yes they FINALLY took care of it. That being said I would not do business with Kahr again.
I got that kind of run around by being polite. The customer service is very poor. So no I don't bash on them on the phone but do it here so others may be aware of problems with the PM9 and /or Kahr products. Fortunately I always test fire a weapon a few hundred rounds prior to trusting it for anything. In this case it took 2 new recoil springs to get it right and about 700 rounds. It finally is useful for it's intended purpose.
So yes they FINALLY took care of it. That being said I would not do business with Kahr again.ABBOBERG
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My PM9 is OK as a range gun, but when carried, hollow points can get jostled around a bit in the mag. Because of this, in two false emergencies, I had to tried to chamber a round but the slide wouldn't close. It appeared to be rim-lock. This occurred with two different mags (the short one and the extended one). I think that if you want to use the PM9 for concealed carry, every day before you go out, rap the magazine hard so that the case flanges are all aligned. The other option is to keep a round in the chamber and hope that the next one will feed in an emergency. If you are using ball ammo, it probably doesn't matter.
innerpiece
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CW9 is great here. Win 147gr SXT function flawless out of it.. as has every thing else Ive fired thru it.
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ipscshooter
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P9 Covert. 300 round break in. 400 since. No issues.
TP45 NOVAK on order.
TP45 NOVAK on order.
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P45-3000+rds, mostly 185grs, going strong
iostorm
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PM9 216 flawless rounds.....
P45 <100 rds.,broken
Won't fire due to light firing pin strike. Barrel hood peen-ed, .033 gap, trigger not resetting and slide closes at mag. insertion. Kahr cust. non-service won't return e-mails. Buying Taurus PT745 this week, half the cost of the Kahr, I doubt it can be worse.
Won't fire due to light firing pin strike. Barrel hood peen-ed, .033 gap, trigger not resetting and slide closes at mag. insertion. Kahr cust. non-service won't return e-mails. Buying Taurus PT745 this week, half the cost of the Kahr, I doubt it can be worse.
I had the problem with the trigger pin walking out in my early P9 but a trip to Kahr took care of that. And eventhough I bought it used the repair was free. While it was there they also changed the slide stop because I was having problems with the slide locking back with ammo still in the mag.
But...
I had already fixed that on my own before I sent it back. And I had smoothed out the exterior to keep it from abrading my thumb. So when I got it back, I had to smooth it out again on the new one.
I'm past 1000 rounds since with no malfunctions of any kind.
But...
I had already fixed that on my own before I sent it back. And I had smoothed out the exterior to keep it from abrading my thumb. So when I got it back, I had to smooth it out again on the new one.
I'm past 1000 rounds since with no malfunctions of any kind.
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K 9 Series
I had a Kahr PM9 series and did not like the way it functioned. I sold it and bought my best carry gun after 22 different pistol, which is the XD sub9. Later I found myself wanting another Kahr, this time I elected to purchase a K series, which is a steel frame. I have to say WOW
I love this pistol. With the right holster you don't notice the weight and it's trigger and function are far more supior of that in the P series. Hope this helps.
I had a Kahr PM9 series and did not like the way it functioned. I sold it and bought my best carry gun after 22 different pistol, which is the XD sub9. Later I found myself wanting another Kahr, this time I elected to purchase a K series, which is a steel frame. I have to say WOW
I love this pistol. With the right holster you don't notice the weight and it's trigger and function are far more supior of that in the P series. Hope this helps.- Status
