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lawgawg45 Nope wrong again. Most of buddies are law enforcement and were my my old rideing buddies and off time shooting buddies. My last two homes I built were bought by a couple of them also. Been around them most of my life.
Kahrs Incorrectly Get Bad Rap
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That's great, can you say the same for NYPD's very large employment? Remember that one case where a guy got shot over 20 times with 9mm before stopping? Is that an example that they get enough practice when they couldn't do the job with the first few hits?
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Then I guess you disdain Walthers, Mausers, AKs, Moisins, etc...?
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Picked up my cm9 yesterday. I'm going to the range in the morning. I'll report back results. Bringing 100 federal, 50 wwb and some Winchester jhp's.
Update: range report is good. The CM9 was 100% reliable. I did clean it prior to shooting it. I always do that and believe in it. The only issue I experienced was 1 nosedive when chambering the first round. I had the slide locked back and then inserted the magazine. The manual doesn't recommend that. On the upside I could slingshot the cm9 with no issues, and chambering the way the manual recommends was 100%.
I shot 5yds and 7yds with very nice groups. All in the 9 or better. Recoil wasn't bad at all. A little less than expected actually. I'm happy with the purchase. That being said - it's a very tight gun. I guess it's the spring weight, but I got used to it. Don't be at all afraid to buy a Kahr!
Update: range report is good. The CM9 was 100% reliable. I did clean it prior to shooting it. I always do that and believe in it. The only issue I experienced was 1 nosedive when chambering the first round. I had the slide locked back and then inserted the magazine. The manual doesn't recommend that. On the upside I could slingshot the cm9 with no issues, and chambering the way the manual recommends was 100%.
I shot 5yds and 7yds with very nice groups. All in the 9 or better. Recoil wasn't bad at all. A little less than expected actually. I'm happy with the purchase. That being said - it's a very tight gun. I guess it's the spring weight, but I got used to it. Don't be at all afraid to buy a Kahr!
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I had bad luck with my K9 and countless PM9's it seems... Shot a CW9 that was reliable it seemed though.
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Kahrs Incorrectly Get Bad Rap
Talk about getting a bad rap...
Talk about getting a bad rap...
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I got a CW9 about two months ago used (200 rounds through it) with an extra mag. I have put over 200 rounds through it to date of various weights and bullet types and not one single problem. If I get another good deal on a Kahr like I did the CW9 I will not hesitate to get another. A fabulous pistol! 
Lawdawg45
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No I can't, and that was the point of several of my replies, that a blanket statement of all departments isn't fair or accurate. I remember when we were carrying .357's and .44's, and NYPD was issuing 20 year old 6 shot .38's
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Just a note to anyone who is thinking about buying a Kahr. I purchased a CW9 that was made about three months ago new from buds guns. The problem is not with BGs but with Kahr.
I took the gun to the range and every other shot the mag fell out and it was not me hitting the MR. I called Kahr and they did send an all metal one to replace the plastic one. I refitted it and that seemed to take care of the problem as it did not happen again, but I then took the CW to the range a third time and the recoil spring broke. I called Kahr and was told I would have to send it back to Kahr on my dime. So to put it in simple terms I had to pay 20 dollars to send the gun back wait 6 weeks for them to look at it for a 2 dollar their cost 8 dollar my cost RS.
Now I will contrast that with two other problems I have just had this week, One of my Smith and Wesson M&P mags was not working correctly and was over stripping the round. I called Smith and they did not even want a serial number, they just said, whats your address and one is on its way. WOW thats service :shock:
The second example of great CS is Glock. I have a 19 2nd gen from about 95 that I purchased new, put it in my safe and have not even broken it in. My brother called me and said he was getting two Glocks and that he had been reading that the guide rods made of plastic seems to be a problem to some owners. I then went to the safe and checked my GR and it was missing about half the round plastic circle that holds the spring on in the rear and fits into the grove of the lug on the bbl. I called Glock and said its and old gun but I really have not shot it, they did not care it was what is the serial no, and one is on its way hope this fixes the problem.
Contrast this CS at Smith and Glock with that of Kahr. I called a third time to Kahr to see if I could get a different agent as maybe this guy with a heavy English accent was just having a bad life. I got him every time and asked why he always answered the phone. He said he was one of two techs for all of Kahr. Well that answers that question. Next I told him I was shooting RAM ammo and was told to stop right there that any reloads void Kahrs warranty. I asked him if it would work for Kahr if I bought two and used them as book ends, if that would keep the warranty alive and well. LOL.
Kahr seems to be loosing their edge as this great company that pays attention to detail and makes a great gun to one that has horrible to non existent CS and guns with problems. To give full disclosure I did have a previous problem with the CW, and Kahr did send me a replacement mag catch all metal that took care of it or at lasted seemed to as I did not get to shoot as much to test it out before the spring broke. But they also have had a lot of problems with this as far as I can read on line although they will most likely not admit it.
So if you are looking for a Kahr, you may want to consider something else. As for me I am going to replace the spring with a wolf spring from midway and then sell it and buy a M&P c or G26, which I should have done in the first place.
PS, I don't have photos of the Kahr spring. I disassembled it at the range and threw it in the garbage bbl. I know I should have kept it, but who would have though that Kahr would have reneged on their product over a 2 dollar part?
I took the gun to the range and every other shot the mag fell out and it was not me hitting the MR. I called Kahr and they did send an all metal one to replace the plastic one. I refitted it and that seemed to take care of the problem as it did not happen again, but I then took the CW to the range a third time and the recoil spring broke. I called Kahr and was told I would have to send it back to Kahr on my dime. So to put it in simple terms I had to pay 20 dollars to send the gun back wait 6 weeks for them to look at it for a 2 dollar their cost 8 dollar my cost RS.
Now I will contrast that with two other problems I have just had this week, One of my Smith and Wesson M&P mags was not working correctly and was over stripping the round. I called Smith and they did not even want a serial number, they just said, whats your address and one is on its way. WOW thats service :shock:
The second example of great CS is Glock. I have a 19 2nd gen from about 95 that I purchased new, put it in my safe and have not even broken it in. My brother called me and said he was getting two Glocks and that he had been reading that the guide rods made of plastic seems to be a problem to some owners. I then went to the safe and checked my GR and it was missing about half the round plastic circle that holds the spring on in the rear and fits into the grove of the lug on the bbl. I called Glock and said its and old gun but I really have not shot it, they did not care it was what is the serial no, and one is on its way hope this fixes the problem.
Contrast this CS at Smith and Glock with that of Kahr. I called a third time to Kahr to see if I could get a different agent as maybe this guy with a heavy English accent was just having a bad life. I got him every time and asked why he always answered the phone. He said he was one of two techs for all of Kahr. Well that answers that question. Next I told him I was shooting RAM ammo and was told to stop right there that any reloads void Kahrs warranty. I asked him if it would work for Kahr if I bought two and used them as book ends, if that would keep the warranty alive and well. LOL.
Kahr seems to be loosing their edge as this great company that pays attention to detail and makes a great gun to one that has horrible to non existent CS and guns with problems. To give full disclosure I did have a previous problem with the CW, and Kahr did send me a replacement mag catch all metal that took care of it or at lasted seemed to as I did not get to shoot as much to test it out before the spring broke. But they also have had a lot of problems with this as far as I can read on line although they will most likely not admit it.
So if you are looking for a Kahr, you may want to consider something else. As for me I am going to replace the spring with a wolf spring from midway and then sell it and buy a M&P c or G26, which I should have done in the first place.
PS, I don't have photos of the Kahr spring. I disassembled it at the range and threw it in the garbage bbl. I know I should have kept it, but who would have though that Kahr would have reneged on their product over a 2 dollar part?
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I don't agree with the title,
& I haven't forgotten the last brand new PM 40 that failed to correctly lock open & ate my thumb. I sent it back & didn't actually get to sell it for another 8 weeks.
& I haven't forgotten the last brand new PM 40 that failed to correctly lock open & ate my thumb. I sent it back & didn't actually get to sell it for another 8 weeks.
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Well no mater what the problem Kahr will not take care of it, or at least give you crap over your problem. When I am told to pay 20 shipping for a 2 dollar spring on a two month old gun they have got a serious problem with their customer service. I have my cw up for sale and will be buying a G26. When I called Glock and said my G19 had a broken guide rod and it was a gen 2 16 years old the only thing they asked was what your address so we can ship you another. That is customer service. Kahr can kiss my rear end and I will tell everyone the way they treat their customers.
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All three of my Kahrs have been 100% reliable - PM9, CW45, K9
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tin, that is not the point, that one or two or a lot of people have a Kahr with no trouble, every gun company can say they have made good and bad products. The big point IMO is that Kahr customer service is crap on a stick. They give shipping labels to some not to others, they deny service because a customer used Ram ammo, and just have a sh*ty attitude over all.
As I said before if you have a good meal at a joint and I get a fly in my soup your experience does little to nothing to make mine any better.
As I said before if you have a good meal at a joint and I get a fly in my soup your experience does little to nothing to make mine any better.
Update on this thread. I have the nosedive issue with my K9. I am unable to pull off a slingshot to chamber the first round of Speer GoldDot I just bought. I have some old Winchester Supreme SXT that chambers fine no matter what I do, but the nose is of slightly smaller diameter. I emailed Kahr and they said that I must use the slide release to chamber a round. I must say, it make me VERY VERY NERVOUS that a slingshot move is just short of being able to chamber a round when a slide release will. Makes me think that it is just on the edge of being able to do it. Sometimes the edge catches and the slide actually stops and then continues forward like it JUST barely got the round to hop up the ramp. Again, I am scared to carry this as a SD weapon.
At this point I cannot even test fire or buy other ammo, all 9mm carry ammo is sold out everywhere so I am stuck carrying the old Winchester Supreme I have had for 10 years now.
Also I have inside and outside rust on what supposedly is a SS slide. So I am not real impressed at this time with it. I think I'm going to look at other options like a Sig, or a S&W Shield.
At this point I cannot even test fire or buy other ammo, all 9mm carry ammo is sold out everywhere so I am stuck carrying the old Winchester Supreme I have had for 10 years now.
Also I have inside and outside rust on what supposedly is a SS slide. So I am not real impressed at this time with it. I think I'm going to look at other options like a Sig, or a S&W Shield.
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I am so glad so many have problems with kahrs. That just makes it easy for those that like them and have no problems with them to find them for sale.
LOL!! For sure, I have a P45. PM9. P380 that are flawless and have been since new. If I could just find a P9...........
Took my parents to the range the other day to get them shooting before their class to get their permit to carry. I wanted them to shoot as many pistols as possible so they could find one that works for each of them. I had all of my pistols, my wife's 642CT, and my buddy loaned me his Glock 36sf. Wouldn't you know my mom says she likes the little 45 glock better than my LCR and the wife's 642. She also liked it better than the HK 45 USPc I carry. So after shooting it was off into the shop to look at what they had. They had the Glock 30 but no 36SF. Then we look at a CW45 and she hands it to me and says this is the one I want. We took it to their house and ran 50 flawless rounds of American Eagle 230gr FMJ through it. Then we ran 25 rounds of my 200gr plated SWC reloads wth 3 FTF. It was the ammo without a doubt. She also shot another 50 flawless rounds to practice mag changes and so forth. She loves it I am very impressed with it. I would recommend this little pistol to anyone. She shot 26 rds for her class without a hitch and is getting her permit.
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Coop45 I wonder why the P series sells for more than the TP series. Same up grades but price is inbetween the P and the CW line. Anyhow if that model is interesting. Lipsey has 2 in stock. My TP 40 cost 543.18 to me thru my lgs. Lipsey- http://lipseys.com/itemfinder.aspx?mfg=Kahr+Arms&family=P9+Series&model=P9&type=Semi-Auto+Pistol
mnhntr Keep those first hundred rounds hot and fmj and that 45 should run fine. I do like a piece of old inner tube for traction on the grip too. Glad your moms happy. I could under stand have feed issues with a SWC bullet.
mnhntr Keep those first hundred rounds hot and fmj and that 45 should run fine. I do like a piece of old inner tube for traction on the grip too. Glad your moms happy. I could under stand have feed issues with a SWC bullet.
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