Kalif recall - Looks like Davis has this one in the bag

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This has Clintons handwriting all over it - if you can't win at the ballot box, win in the courts. Clinton is advising Davis on how to win this thing, let us not forget that he was doing the same for Al Whore in last Presidential election. It's incredible.


http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/08/15/california.recall.ap/index.html
Judge warns he may postpone recall election

Friday, August 15, 2003 Posted: 10:56 PM EDT

SAN JOSE, California (AP) -- A federal judge warned Friday that he may postpone California's October 7 recall election over voting rights questions, and ordered Monterey County to refrain from mailing out overseas ballots until the questions are resolved.

The new uncertainty in the already chaotic special election came on a day a poll showed support building for the ouster of Gov. Gray Davis, and when a billionaire adviser to candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger was widely rebuked for suggesting California property taxes are too low.

U.S. District Judge Jeremy Fogel's ruling came hours after two civil rights groups argued that the hurry-up election doesn't give the Justice Department enough time to approve changes in the voting process.

Under the 1965 Voting Rights Act, the federal government must approve voting changes in four California counties with a history of low voter participation. The cases argued Friday focus on Monterey County, which plans fewer polling places and fewer Spanish-speaking poll workers for the election.

"This court is extremely reluctant to intervene in or disrupt the electoral process unless it clearly is compelled to do so," Fogel wrote late Friday. "At the same time, permitting voting or other forms of direct political participation to be affected by changes in voting procedures implemented in contravention of the Voting Rights Act cannot be countenanced."

Fogel scheduled another hearing August 29 and suggested he may delay the election if federal approval hasn't happened by then. In the meantime, he ordered Monterey County not to send out about 200 ballots to registered voters overseas.

Thomas Saenz, attorney for one of the civil rights groups, the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, said even the delay in mailing overseas votes could force postponement of the election, if overseas voters can't return their ballots by October 7.

The California Attorney General's office and Monterey County officials conceded that without federal approval the entire special election, including two voter initiatives on the ballot, would have to be postponed, perhaps until the March primary.

But Leroy Blankenship, Monterey's assistant county counsel, argued that if the changes are approved before October 7, "there's no harm, no foul."

Justice Department spokesman Jorge Martinez said the department was reviewing the state's request for approval.

A delay in the election could help Davis, who received bad news earlier Friday in a statewide poll that found his approval numbers lower than ever and momentum building for his removal.

The nonpartisan Field Poll found that 58 percent of likely California voters want Davis out of office, up from 51 percent last month. Sixty-eight percent believe Davis will be recalled, and only 22 percent say they like the job he's doing.

Despite the poll numbers, Davis projected optimism Friday. "This election has turned into something of a Hollywood movie and I assure you it will have a surprise ending," he said.

The poll, based on telephone interviews with 448 likely voters, was conducted August 10-13 and had a margin of error of plus or minus 4.1 percentage points.

The campaign of Davis' most imposing challenger, actor Arnold Schwarzenegger, was doing damage control of its own Friday because of a Wall Street Journal interview with billionaire investment mogul Warren Buffett, the Republican's economic adviser.

Buffett suggested California's property taxes might be too low. He said he pays $14,401 in annual property taxes on his $500,000 home in Omaha, Nebraska, but only $2,264 on his $4 million home in Laguna Beach.

Proposition 13, which limits property tax hikes to no more than 2 percent a year, is considered politically untouchable in California.

Fellow Republican candidate Bill Simon, whom Davis defeated last year, immediately called on Schwarzenegger to renounce Buffett's suggestion.

"He needs to let the people of California know today and just as loudly whether he supports his adviser's scheme for massive property tax increases," Simon said in a statement.

Davis, too, joined in the criticism.

"Lord knows we have some things in California that cost a lot, but property taxes are not one of them and nobody is going to change this," the governor said at a Los Angeles elementary school.

Schwarzenegger supports the anti-tax initiative and was a keynote speaker at its silver anniversary gala earlier this summer, said spokesman Rob Stutzman.

But the spokesman also supported Buffett, saying, "Turning around California's economic crisis requires a breadth of knowledge and skill that Mr. Buffett obviously is as fully qualified as anyone on Earth to contribute."

Schwarzenegger has added another high-profile adviser, actor Rob Lowe, the Los Angeles Times reported Friday. The longtime Democratic activist and former "West Wing" star is a friend of Schwarzenegger and his wife, Maria Shriver, and will coordinate celebrity support, Stutzman said.
 
Clinton, Clinton, and Gore can not, I repeat, can not allow a republican governor to show up in California. The danger to Clinton (you choose which one) is too high if a republican can actually make the situation out there better.

Clinton's mafia will pull out every trick in the book to keep a republican from winning. High on the list of tricks will be galactic scale voter fraud.
 
One Fed judge stopped Prop. 187. Here we go again.

Not to worry, it's only about the legitimacy of the rule of law after
all.

Belief systems are fragile things. The Left seems compelled to break
the compact. I think a lot of people are getting pretty cynical.
And pretty fed up.

Since when does a halving of polling places constitute prima facie
discrimination against minorities anyway? By what logic? The judge
should concern himself more about the illegal votes that are bound
to be cast in this recall election--if it occurs.
 
The cases argued Friday focus on Monterey County, which plans fewer polling places and fewer Spanish-speaking poll workers for the election.

This really makes me crazy. Are minorities less able to read the sample ballot and figure out where their polling place is? If they are confused, do they have a lesser ability to pick up a phone and call the registrar than a non-minority? Does their skin color confer a lesser ability to read and comprehend the ballot? As to Spanish-speaking poll workers: Doesn't a naturalilzed citizen have to be able to speak English to become a citizen? Isn't this rather insulting to minorities?
 
In many ways this incident is a microcosm of where things stand
today in America.

What would happen if one Federal judge stopped the recall?

I keep waiting for the good citizens of America to show themselves
(peacefully) in the streets. The pols understand and respect numbers.
 
I'm not sure what a delaying tactic would really accomplish? If anything, it seems Davis is becoming more unpopular day by day and unless he's delusional, he must know what's coming.

If he were close to the end of his term I could see trying to hang on, but does he think he can delay the recall in the courts for over three more years? I just don't see the logic in this type of strategy.
 
Davis is hoping to delay to the election to March, when the general primaries take place. Since the Democrats would be picking their presidential candidate, the thinking is that the Democrat base would be more likely to go to the polls, and support Grayout. Of course, he would really like the recall to be stopped altogether, but that is unlikely to happen.
 
If he were close to the end of his term I could see trying to hang on, but does he think he can delay the recall in the courts for over three more years? I just don't see the logic in this type of strategy.


With the court system in PPK anything is possible. :banghead:
 
The issue here is like so:

In an election where the recall is the sole thing on the ballot, Davis is hosed. Why? Because a lot of Democrats who would vote to keep his sorry butt IF they were there at the polls anyways, aren't supportive enough of him to make a special trip down to the voting booth just to keep him. They may support the idea that he shouldn't be recalled, but dang few people actually LIKE him.

BUT, the people who dislike him, of which there's a HELL OF A LOT, will gleefully fire up the ol' Chevy or whatever and head down to the polling place, cackling with glee at the opportunity to deep-six his a$$.

Therefore, by stalling until the Presidential primaries next spring, Davis gains probably close to a 100% increase in people that won't go along with a recall.

In a spring election, it'll be a nail-biter. In October, Davis is *TOAST*!
 
Yeah, I've heard the idea tossed arouind of getting a bigger turnout in March, thus mobilizing the Democrat base. I guess where I'm a little dubious on that theory is:

First, it's shaping up as though the election, if it's held in October, may end up with one of the biggest turnouts in recent history. He'll have plenty of Democrats voting, but unfortunately many are a tad upset with him. He'll carry the liberal core, but from the polls, he may not get much more regardless of when the election is held.

Secondly, if I recall, in the last election he got less than 50% and barely squeezed by Simon. If all these supporters couldn't do better than that for him in a general election then, I would truly be surprised they would come out for him en mass now. Popular he ain't.

Unless something miraculous happens for him, I think he's roadkill regardless of when the recall is held. I guess I'm struggling to understand how he's looking at this from a strategic standpoint. Maybe he just plain can't accept the fact the gig is up.
 
"..the Mexican-American Legal Defense.."

That's MALDEF, for short, and they are a prominent neo-Communist front organization operating in Cali to the detriment of all for several years. They are the ones who are responsible for the vote-fraud which deep-sixed B-1 Bob.

As to the prospects: correct summation--the Dims are not very excited about voting, at all. They dislike Grayout and Busta is more of the same, with a different face/name.

Turnout will be on the (R) side. Of course, Republicans have to take a very hard look at Arnie's "some gun controls are just fine" line...
 
How is it that these voters weren't "disenfranchised" during elections last fall? Why only now?

Don't bother to answer; we all know why.

I'm thinking about giving up smoking, if for no other reason than to increase the chances that I'll get to p**s on Clinton's grave.
 
California does have the dumbest judges in the history of the known world, but a judge is the one that is supposed to interpret the law, even regarding elections.

Let's not lose fact that without the judiciary protections, Al Gore would be president. And like several comments in this thread, those on the losing side of Bush v. Gore think the judges ignored the law and picked Bush to be president. What they did, excluding the morons on the Florida Supreme Court, was to correctly interpret Florida election law and prevent the Democrats from counting the ballots based on their perceived "intent" of the voters (ie dimpled chads).

If the courts in California do not think the recall election can be held according the state laws, it is their responsibility to intervene until the elections can be held correctly.

So far, the system has worked. They prevented Davis from getting his name on the ballot so he could be reelected governor by a minority should the majority vote to remove him from office.
 
Longeyes
And the irony with MALDEF is that they are being funded, generously, by none other than the Ford Foundation.
Wait, it get's better....

That is why a recent $1 million grant from The Ford Foundation to help the National Council of La Raza develop an individual membership base is so important. The Ford Foundation

To date, Ford has given more than $18.9 million to MALDEF, and $12.9 million to the National Council of La Raza.
Americanpatrol.com
 
I hope the Grim Reaper finds Mr. W. Buffett soon!

Of course, let's roll back prop 13 to 1975 state of things, and the PRK will implode. You'll see the greatest mass migration of people in world history.

I want Davis to win and stay in. Then all the people in the PRK will really feel some real pain. Perhaps the next time they will vote for a total republican majority, the Executive and Legislative branches.

I luv turmoil and a good circus! Entropy, baby. All the way......
 
If the judge thing doesn't work, and just before the election the numbers are definitely bad, Gray has only to resign and Bustamonte takes over - the recall is dead... and time marches on. Oh, and AHnuld goes back to work, Puffington goes on another speaking tour... the rest wish they'd saved their money.

So - what's new
 
just before the election the numbers are definitely bad, Gray has only to resign and Bustamonte takes over - the recall is dead...

He can resign if he chooses (or is pressured to do so), but the election goes on to choose the successor. The window for his resignation to stop the recall closed when the recall was certified for the ballot.
 
Not to mention, Bustamonte has broken ranks and put himself of the ballot to be governor. Even if Davis could resign, he isn't going to reward that stab-in-the-back by resigning and handing the office to Bustamonte
 
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