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Kel-Tec KSG Initial Impressions

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by HKGuns, Sep 21, 2013.

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  1. HKGuns

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    LGS had one of these in the back today and gave me a fair deal on one significantly under MSRP. I've never owned a "Tactical" shotgun before as they're never interested me....This one is different.

    I haven't shot it yet so I will give you my initial impressions, focusing on the main features that make this thing different.

    Capacity:

    This thing holds a LOT of rounds, far more than your traditional home defense tactical shotgun. I'm loading one tube with six 3" 00 Buck and one tube with six 3" slugs. With one in the chamber that is 13 rounds of lead down range without a reload.

    It is relatively easy to load and very easy to select the mag tube you want to feed rounds from.

    Pardon the inferior camera Phone pictures, my normal camera is not available today.

    You can see, in the picture below, where you load and select which mag tube from which you're feeding rounds from. An additional safety feature is that if the selector is in the middle it won't feed any rounds. Some might call it an opportunity to fail. In the picture below the selector is in the middle.

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    Size & Weight:

    This shotgun is small and EXTREMELY handy. It balances well and is quite maneuverable in a tight space. This would be my choice of shotgun if I made my living doing forced entry. (This will serve duty as my HD shotgun.) The bullpup design makes it balance extremely well and with all of that lead down the mag tubes you don't feel the weight and it helps balance it out really really well.

    The picture below has a pair of M gloves for size reference. I can't get over how compact a package this really is having shot many shotguns over my years.

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    Takedown:

    The gun is relatively easy to break down for cleaning, there are a couple of pins that allow you to remove the stock and the trigger group. After that, most everything will pull right out. I had no issues getting it apart and putting it back together. The pins are a great feature and you even have little holes in the grip to store the pins when you are cleaning the shotgun.

    The only thing I don't like about it so far is that it needs to be slammed home extremely hard in order to release the shell from the magazine tube. It is really easy to short stroke this thing and I've written Kel-Tec to determine if this is normal. I will post their response when it is received. It may get better over time or there may be something a bit out of spec.

    Below are some miscellaneous pictures of various parts of the shotgun. Notice the rails on the top and the bottom which will be very handy and are a great design feature.

    Did I say this thing was really compact?

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  2. Girodin

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    I must admit I am very befuddled as to how one can own a shotgun for less than 24 hrs and be ready to declare it not only HD worthy but a duty worthy weapon.

    Have you even shot it?

    The bottom rail might be a great design feature in theory. However, if one googles "broken KSG rail" you can find a number of pictures of different guns where the plastic bottom rail has broken on folks.
     
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  3. HKGuns

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    You obviously didn't read my post correctly. Try again.
     
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  4. M2 Carbine

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    Good gun.

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    Although I own a number of shotguns I am not a "shotgun person".
    My shotguns are third in line for HD, behind a AR and pistols.

    But since I got the KSG it is fast moving up to the primary HD gun.
    I plan on installing a full choke that I hope will keep a decent pattern out to about 35 yards, my HD range.
    If I can get the needed range from the gun it will be the go to HD gun.


    Even the ladies like the KSG. :)

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  5. M2 Carbine

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    Old news. Been corrected.
     
  6. basicblur

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    How so? Did a quick search and can't find updated info.

    Don't own a shotgun, but a few years? ago I figured I ought to have at least one. The KSG got my interest, but after reading reviews, decided it was not quite ready for prime time.

    I've been waiting for updates / corrections to problems, and for the prices to drop.
     
  7. HKGuns

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    I can certainly see where the polymer rail "could" be prone to break if you mount a longer forward grip and really reef on it when you cycle the gun. That being said, I'm going to pick one up for it and find out for myself. I suspect Kel-Tec will honor their warranty if it breaks just like they did in the thread I read.

    I appear to have a Generation 2 with some minor modifications.
     
  8. Fred Fuller

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    Go take a basic shotgun class with it and report back...
     
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    Cant wait for range report and month from now report. Handled one at LGS seemed cool just not for me. GO SHOO00OT HER!!!!!
     
  10. Centurian22

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    Very interested in the range report also. They look / seem cool but I haven't gotten to handle one yet. Also what was the general price range you paid if you don't mind sharing.
     
  11. M2 Carbine

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    Mine was a thousand bucks.

    Basically the gun will do anything that any 18 inch cyl bore pump gun will do and it does it in a 26.5 inch package, with room to hang iron sights, lasers and lights.

    It holds 19 2 inch buckshot shells or 15 2 3/4 inch shells.

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    The only problems I've seen are operator error, such as short stroking the slide, holding the gun so the ejecting shell hits the shooter's arm and starting out with both magazines off.

    The gun is a bullpup, not your Remington 870. There is a learning curve to get used to the gun.

    I suspect as the gun comes into wide use minor problems will come up and be corrected. I also think Kel Tec will offer such as changeable chokes.


    Call Kel Tec.
     
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    Man.... Those are some great cellphone pics..... What cell phone are you using if you don't mind my asking?
     
  13. zoom6zoom

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    or 24 of the Aguila Mini Shells.
     
  14. HKGuns

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    $850ish....

    Don't mind at all, iphone5....Too bad I don't have my "real" camera or you'd be seeing polymer atoms!

    Yep, I fiddled with it some more in the basement last night and you're right....The short stroking is operator error because of the difference in length between it and a "normal" pump. You lose some leverage and it is so compact it is quite a bit of a different movement to master. I think I'm going to install a forward grip on mine and see if that helps me learn to operate it faster. The more I practiced the better I got. I can "almost" cycle it 100% at this point.
     
  15. M2 Carbine

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    Yes, I'll have to try them first chance I get.
    I shoot other Aguila but haven't tried the Mini shells.

    The two inch are made by a Italian company called Centurian, Law Enforcement. Six 00 Buckshot at 1250 FPS.

    Trouble is the only place I ever saw them is Cheaper Than Dirt and they aren't getting them any more. Now days they would be too expensive anyhow.
     
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    I got one in July and it would not cycle properly. What I thought was my fault of short stoking was really the lifters not feeding the shell to the chamber properly and hanging up. I talked to a CS rep at Keltec and he knew what needed to be done as if they seen the problem before. So I sent it to them and after a month it came back and works great. The thing will kick the snot out of you with heavy loads but I installed a Alumalite muzzel break and a slip on Limbsaver recoil pad which tammed the recoil nicely.15rds of #4 buck is awesome fire power for HD and this KSG will replace the Rem. Marine Magnum 870 that use to fill that role. The KSG is a really inovative design that I think will be copied and maybe improved upon. The only thing about it that I don't like is the rear downward ejection but I really don't know anyother way they could have done it with this design. They need to make one in 20ga for women, IMO. just my .02.:eek:
     
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  17. HKGuns

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    The best part for me is that it is an SBR without all of the paperwork and tax stamp. In actuality it is smaller, more concealable and maneuverable than a "regular" SBS. I've read nothing but good things about Kel-Tec CS. The only other product of theirs that I own is my little P-32 which has never had any issues.

    A question for you guys that own one.....I obviously need sights. Being it is a shotgun, is a regular AR style front sight enough or do you need front and rear? I really don't think I want to spend money on an optic at this point for it.
     
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    I put the Magpul flip up front and rear sights on mine and a Magpul vertical foregrip all the way to the front of the underside rail and it really makes for a very positive pump. I also put a surefire flashlight offset on the top rail. I'll try and post a picture if I can figure out how.
     
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    Thanks, I picked up a set of Troy "HK" folding micro sights and they appear to align well with my cheek resting on the gun. I also added a short Tango Down QD fore grip which really seems to help with racking the slide back. Next I'll have to figure out a good mount for an offset light.
     
  20. Arizona_Mike

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    Where can I actaully find one? I've had their little 7.62 bullpup rifle on backover for about a year now with Impact Guns out of Utah and am still told I'm second in line/

    Could I possibly buy the thing right now ffor $850 or even $1000?

    Mike
     
  21. M2 Carbine

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    Not likely that you can find one and if you do it will probably be a good bit over $1,000.

    The local gun store just happened to get one. The only reason they sold it to me for $1,000 is I buy a LOT of guns there. They wanted at least $1,500 for the gun and there were several people that wanted the gun.

    BTW I was shooting it about an hour ago. The thing is impressive. :)
     
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    At that price I'd probably bite, but certainly not at the $1200-1500 I've seen around here at gun shows.
     
  23. Arizona_Mike

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    Well, I understand luck. I got one of the first S&W M&P 10s by being in the right place at the right time.

    Mike
     
  24. HKGuns

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    I too got lucky and was in the right place at the right time. I also do a LOT of business with my LGS and was looking at a UTS they had on the shelf and casually mentioned I was more interested in the KSG. The guy I know well disappeared for a while and walked back and offered me a deal on a KSG they had sitting in the back.

    Apparently it was a special order and the buyer backed out. They offered me the gun and the deal because I spend a lot if money with them and it cleared the item from their inventory.
     
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  25. PabloJ

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    There are far too many screws and parts in that gun. I found 12ga Model 12 26" IC shotgun in excellent condition for $400. A far more useful and proven design. What is truly amazing is that gun is as useful today as 60 years ago when it was made. Very fearsome weapon with 2&3/4" Tn/Fe/Ni SG or No. 4 BK shot loads.

    While it's still a bit early I will admit the KSG make much better Halloween prop.
     
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