Kel-Tec RFB

[jwalker497]

Kel-Tec RFB
I am really interested in this rifle and would like to hear form others who have shot it, how has it performed? I am also curious ho much it goes for in shops.

 

[Maverick223]

I have heard that it is being sold at $1250.00 dealer which equates to about $1500.00USD retail. I am also curious to hear a review, but will likely hold out for a .260Rem. or .243Win. copy later on.

Found it for about $1350.00 at Able's...Kel Tec RFB, but they are currently out of stock.

 

[Girodin]

Very very few of these have been shipped. You would be very hard pressed to find one in a shop. The are rare enough many are commanding a premium above the MSRP. If production numbers ever get up the prices may come down to $1500 or so. There are some reviews on other sites. Some of those sites such as the KTOG seem to have an attitude that Kel Tec can do no wrong. The moderator there seems to come down on any critique even if it is reasonable. This tends to smother free and fair discussion so I would take certain individuals comments with a grain of salt.

but will likely hold out for a .260Rem. or .243Win. copy later on.

Most people are still holding out for a .308 version and it has been a very long time comming with many many pushbacks and delays. They still have not achieved full production. The production numbers are incredibly small right now. The target version in 308 is projected to be years away still from what I can acertain. Given the rate of progress this rifle has seen I would imagine other calibers are a long ways off if they will ever be created. A .243 might be doable form the purchasers end with out too much trouble if they really wanted to.

 

[PTK]

I've handled one, but not shot it. I'm interested in owning one some day in the future should I still own firearms at that point.

 

[Maverick223]

I would imagine other calibers are a long ways off if they will ever be created.

I can wait...I have this long.

 

[ccsniper]

this has been up on here several times, they won't show up for a long time.

 

[Wes Janson]

this has been up on here several times, they won't show up for a long time.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=139031492

If you want one, go buy one.

 

[ccsniper]

wow, amazing. I seriously was beginning to think that they were just going to produce 20 or so and call it quits.

 

[Maverick223]

From what I hear (true or not) they are starting to mass produce them now, so they should hit the market in sufficient numbers before long.

 

[Girodin]

2k for a brand new, somewhat innovative and totally unproven design from a company whose price point is below $300 on many of their products. I'll pass. Particularly when the MSRP is far below that and all of the companies guns sell well below their MSRP.

If you have to have one now I guess $2k will get you one. Considering many of the people interested in this design have been waiting three years or so to see it come to fruition waiting a little while longer to (1) see the prices go down and (2) see if the thing is a dud or if it lives up to the hype (or where in between it is) shouldn't be that hard.

It looks like that auction closed. I guess I am not the only one that feels its not worth $2k.

 

[Maverick223]

It "closed" because it sold...doesn't mean I will be doing likewise anytime soon (for the above reasons, and I want to see if they come out with a "better" cartridge)...but may be a good review comin'...that I'd like to see.

 

[PTK]

I seriously was beginning to think that they were just going to produce 20 or so and call it quits.

They have at least 103 of them out - I've handled #103 (if I'm recalling right).

 

[Girodin]

I didn't note that it had sold, my mistake, but you know what PT Barnum (or David Hannum if you prefer that version of the story) said.

I might well own an RFB one day (or multiple if they make the target version). On paper I love them, and the idea of one with a suppressor just makes me giddy. For the reasons above though I think it is silly to pay inflated prices right now.

 

[Hammerhead6814]

I'm just waiting for the 22" barrel version.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

2k for a brand new, somewhat innovative and totally unproven design from a company whose price point is below $300 on many of their products.

Here, I fixed it for ya:

"1.5k [the actual real street price when production gets going] for a brand new, extremely innovative [forward ejection, FAL mags, bullpup, etc.] and mostly unproven design [totally unproven would imply no manufacturer testing; this one has been tested a lot in my understanding], from a company whose price point is below $300 on many of their products.

I'm just waiting for the 22" barrel version

I'm just waiting for the 22" barrel version in .260 Rem



P.S. That one in that auction did not actually "sell", despite what it says. That was a back-door de facto reserve set by the seller. No bids after the seller's "sales bid" - so the seller "bought" his own gun.

 

[Maverick223]

I'm just waiting for the 22" barrel version in .260 Rem

Doc, We think alike...but unfortunately they sent me a E-Mail back stating "we have not made those decisions yet, sorry" to my question of...

Has the new caliber offerings been decided upon for the RFB? If so when is the .260Rem. and/or the .243Win. version scheduled to begin production? If not these cartridges what (if any) have been decided upon? If none are planned, will it be possible to change the barrel with a commercially available replacement in other chamberings (with or without using barrel extensions)? Thank you in advance for the information and assistance, [Mav].

...but like I said before, I can wait...at least for the Beta Testers to give a review.

P.S. That one in that auction did not actually "sell", despite what it says. That was a back-door de facto reserve set by the seller. No bids after the seller's "sales bid" - so the seller "bought" his own gun.

He he, good...guess there was no sucker born that minute.

 

[Glamdring]

I expect Kel Tec pistols to need a little attention. But they have the best customer service I have ever seen in any field!!!

If you buy and have a problem they will take care of you.

I had both P11 & P32 sold them when I replaced them with J frame revolvers, and the j frames will go when I switch to Ruger's LCR,

I had at least 3 or 4 buddies that got P32 after they saw mine, I had one of the very first ones in my 1/4 of the state. Couple of those people went to P3AT's when they came out. They have all been very happy.

The RFB is on my list of rifles to test drive.

 

[Wes Janson]

Quote:
P.S. That one in that auction did not actually "sell", despite what it says. That was a back-door de facto reserve set by the seller. No bids after the seller's "sales bid" - so the seller "bought" his own gun.

He he, good...guess there was no sucker born that minute.

On what basis is there to say that the seller bid on their own auction?

Remember, because the auction sold the seller now has to pay Gunbroker a fee. Had there been no bids it would have been re-listed for free. It wouldn't make sense to bid on your own item and thus just double the amount of money you have to pay to Gunbroker. I have no doubt that it was a legitimate bid by a legitimate buyer.

Especially seeing as how $2k is the lowest price RFBs have ever sold for on Gunbroker (with the one exception of the guy who posted one with a Buy It Now of $1600, which sold in 7 minutes). So obviously the market seems to be there.

 

[Pony Express]

No thanks,
If i want a semi-auto .308 ill stick to the AR-10. maybe if they prove to be tough as nails, in a couple years.

however, the concept is interesting, and i've never handled a true bullpup before

 

[Maverick223]

You have to be careful with those "artificial" bullpups.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Remember, because the auction sold the seller now has to pay Gunbroker a fee. Had there been no bids it would have been re-listed for free. It wouldn't make sense to bid on your own item and thus just double the amount of money you have to pay to Gunbroker. I have no doubt that it was a legitimate bid by a legitimate buyer.

No, sir, I do not think you're correct (but you may be). Yes, they have to pay a fee, but yes, they still do it all the time, constantly - almost every gun auction going has the "fake reserve" price, where the buyer (under a different account) bids on it, to establish a de facto reserve. The buyer didn't want to get less than $2k, but put $1,999 to make it sound better. The reason they do this is so that they can CALL IT a "no reserve" auction, however fraudulent that may be to call it that. I think the sellers have decided that the frenzy / excitement which is worked up among the gullible from calling it technically a "no reserve" auction is likely to lead to them getting insane prices occasionally, and so that it's well worth the cost in the "sell fee", which they just chalk up to a "re-listing fee". You just cannot tell me that 50 auctions in a row for the exact same NIB gun "X", like you see all the time, ALL of which have the exact same first bid of say, $799.99, AND which also happens to be the exact same as the buy it now price on all of them, are legitimate bids and not this extremely common practice of fake bids by sellers, for them to be able to "have their cake and eat it too" - they like to be able to HAVE an actual reserve price, and yet CALL IT a "no reserve" - apparently worth the sale fee. Either that, or there's an even HIGHER fee charged by the site to actually make it a reserve auction. Or both, in some combination.

Anyhoo, I do just have this thing for bullpups that I cannot seem to shake. This one in .308 or .260, and an MSAR MCS in 9mm are probably both in my future. Possibly in 10mm. They will go nicely with the 17S. In fact the RFB will substitute-satisfy my urge for an FS2000, since it has the forward eject.

 

[Wes Janson]

No, sir, I do not think you're correct (but you may be). Yes, they have to pay a fee, but yes, they still do it all the time, constantly - almost every gun auction going has the "fake reserve" price, where the buyer (under a different account) bids on it, to establish a de facto reserve. The buyer didn't want to get less than $2k, but put $1,999 to make it sound better. The reason they do this is so that they can CALL IT a "no reserve" auction, however fraudulent that may be to call it that. I think the sellers have decided that the frenzy / excitement which is worked up among the gullible from calling it technically a "no reserve" auction is likely to lead to them getting insane prices occasionally, and so that it's well worth the cost in the "sell fee", which they just chalk up to a "re-listing fee". You just cannot tell me that 50 auctions in a row for the exact same NIB gun "X", like you see all the time, ALL of which have the exact same first bid of say, $799.99, AND which also happens to be the exact same as the buy it now price on all of them, are legitimate bids and not this extremely common practice of fake bids by sellers, for them to be able to "have their cake and eat it too" - they like to be able to HAVE an actual reserve price, and yet CALL IT a "no reserve" - apparently worth the sale fee. Either that, or there's an even HIGHER fee charged by the site to actually make it a reserve auction. Or both, in some combination.

I don't buy it.

If I were a seller, who for some reason was unwilling to list an actual reserve price, there's a much easier solution.

Set my opening bid at $1, set Buy It Now at whatever I'd ideally like to receive, and then let the auction run. There will be an inevitable bidding frenzy.

On the last day of the auction, if the price hasn't reached my invisible reserve, then use my fake account to bid up to that point. If the next-highest bidder follows along, then great. Otherwise I re-list.

Starting my opening bid at $799, placing one bid for $799, and then letting it expire makes no sense at all, if that's what you're suggesting. If their opening bid and their Buy It Now price are the same, then obviously they're willing to sell at that price point (since at any given moment someone could accept a legally binding contract by hitting the Buy It Now button and committing to that price). If people are bidding at the opening price of $799 instead of hitting Buy It Now for $800, it's because they're idiots, not because it's a scam.

Sorry, but the auctions you see for $799 opening bid and $799 Buy It Now are legitimate. That auction began at $1999, received one bid, and ended at $1999. There's nothing unusual, untoward, or illegitimate about it. $2000 is the current market price for an RFB as has been shown over the past half-dozen auctions (every one of which by a different seller, I might add).

 

[Maverick223]

They will go nicely with the 17S

Doc, you have a M17S? That is bar none my favorite rifle (other than those that have sentimental value). Did you see my thread of upgrades that I posted a while back...takes out nearly all of the "flaws" that I have found...still need to make the trigger break a little cleaner but that is about it. Will link upon request or PM.

 

[Mainsail]

OK. my dealer has one of these in .308 for ~$1200 and it looks pretty darn interesting. Does anyone have any actual experience with them?

 

[Maverick223]

No, we were all waiting for you to buy it and give us a review.

Have you pulled the trigger on the one that you saw in the store? If so, how was it? I ave heard that they are pretty good, but I believe that was the target model, not the 18" variant.