Kel-Tec Sub2000 vs. MP5

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What do you guys think? Not many of us here could hope to own or afford an Mp5 (which I think are overated anyway). But consider this, a Kel-Tec Sub2000 as a poor man's Mp5.

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It is a 32" long semi-auto 5 lb carbine which can be had in 9mm or .40. It can have 30 round magazines with it.


As far as I'm concerned, the only thing the Mp5 has going for it is select fire capability (which I am not too crazy about, esp with only 30 round mags). So just what makes the Mp5 so much better than the kel tec? Why don't people consider the Kel Tec 2000 a poor man's Mp5??

I don't see much of a difference, in a combat situation I would use semi anyway. The kel-tech could be even considered superior in this regaurd!
 
I'd take the MP5 over the Kel-Tec without a second thought. I really dont see a comparision. The HK is more robust, more versitile and select fire. Its very accurate, in both semi and auto fire and very controlable and easy to shoot , even for novices. Above all, its combat proven and tested. Full auto does have its time and place and the MP5 is one of the most controlable guns out there in that respect.
 
I've got a Kel Tec Sub and I've handled several MP5s. The Sub is a compromise gun with a clever solution to the length restrictions that the MP5 doesn't have. It's eaten milsup and commercial JHPs without complaint. It fit's in a Camelbak when folded. It uses readily available preban mags (even the super capacity ones). I don't know if it would last as many rounds as the MP5, but I do know that the price is less than a quarter of the MP5 so another could be bought.
 
Actually, if you disregard the FA capabilities, the Kel-Tec is more versatile than the HK. It'll fold in half for storage or transport, something the MP5 cannot do.

As far as ammo goes....they're both shooting 9mm, but the KT is also available in .40, which once again makes the Kel-Tec more versatile.

The MP5 can accept red dots or scopes via claw mount. The KT has no provisions for optics. That's one point for the MP5, but the Kel-Tec is still ahead in the versatility department. ;)
 
The MP5K with vertical foregrip and side-folding stock (including a semi-only HK-94 registered as a SBR) is more versatile in my opinion. The MP5 series also includes the 10mm (MP5/10) and .40 S&W (MP5/40).

Name me one thing the Mp5 can do (besides select fire) that the Kel Tec can not?
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Has the ability to accept a "snap-on" suppressor. Attached using lugs on the barrel.

And of course, I am in no way biased about MP5s. :)
 
The biggest advantage is, the MP5 is always ready to go and can be fired while the stock is collapsed, the Kel Tec cant fire in its closed position. With the end cap on it, its as long as the Kel Tec closed and can easily be carried anyplace it can.(Its only slightly larger with the collapsable stock) It also has holsters availible for concealed carry, again, ready to shoot.

It will handle full power submachine gun ammo.(not sure about the Kel Tec on this)

The HK can, as mentioned, be scoped or have other type optics in an instant with the claw mount, and it is repeatable/no loss of zero. It also has the accuracy to take advantage of this.

It can be a full stocked gun, a collapsible stocked gun, or a "no stocked" gun with the removal and replacement of a pin.

It has a proven sling system that works.

The HK can be supressed.

Besides, could Bruce Willis use a Kel Tec for an anchor point in an elevator shaft like he did the HK in Die Hard? I think not! :D
 
I have fired a Kel-Tec and think it is a good rifle for the money. They are accurate, light and versatile....
 
Comparing an MP5 to a Keltec is like comparing a Porsche 911 to a Ford Pinto. I mean, they both have wheels and can get you where you want to go, so what's the difference? :p
 
Dude. What are you thinking? :uhoh:

Lack of funds could never justify putting the kel-tec above the MP5. Now if you can't afford an MP5 snatch up the kel-tec, but you must understand it'll never even be a poor substitute.

:p
 
But its soooo much harder to have ninja fantasies with the Kel-Tec! :p
 
Actually, the KEL TEC does have provisions for a red dot or scope, check their website.
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Even the folks over at KTOG.org generally agree that this thing is a POS and a poor concept on KT's part.

Spring loaded mount allows the scope to fold
to the side while the rifle is folded. The scope
springs back into position when the rifle is unfolded.
Scope mount accepts 1" diameter scopes (Not included).
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How many REMOTELY decent quality red-dots do you know of that are 1"?

As far as ammo goes....they're both shooting 9mm, but the KT is also available in .40, which once again makes the Kel-Tec more versatile.
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Huh? Did you miss HKMP5SD's post just before yours?
The MP5 series also includes the 10mm (MP5/10) and .40 S&W (MP5/40).
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Although HK did discontinue the 10mm, so the series doesn't TECHNICALLY "include" the MP5/10 anymore... The MP5/40 is said to be the most popular of the line.

But hey, as negative as these comments sound... They're really not supposed to be. I have nothing against the Sub2000. If I weren't left handed, I'd probably own one!

If you like yours, more power to you.

As for arguing which one is better, the MP5 or the Sub2K... well that's just silly :D

Oh... wait... one more thing I forgot to add regarding the two...

The Sub2K is UGLY as SIN, the HK is what all other sub-guns want to be when they grow up. :neener:
 
You can't be serious! The MP5 is made by HK! They're all tactical and stuff! Nothing can be as good as what they make!

Pssh. :rolleyes:

Depends on how robust the Kel-Tec is. It certainly can't be any more complicated to take apart and clean than HK's roller locked guns. Select-fire capability, even if it is "controllable", provides only a modest advantage over semiauto fire, and even then only in certain circumstances. The HK is more compact, I suppose, but rare will be the times when the differences in length between the two make much of a difference.

As for submachine guns, the only HK model I have experience with (and that's limited) is the UMP45. HK REALLY needs to hire, I don't know, a human being to design their buttstocks. Seriously. Other than that (and the annoying square aperature rear sight) the weapon was reliable.

HK has also discontinued the MP5/40, replacing it with the UMP40. There is a UMP9, too, but AFAIK it isn't being marketed in the US.
 
HKs are easy to take apart if you've done it once or twice.

Spend about $1300 and get an IGF-built SW5 customized to your tastes. This is a poor man's MP5 and not so dissimilar, either.
 
Having owned an MP5 and handled the KT Sub2000, you have got to be kidding. KTs are great guns for what they are, but their pistols are not equivalent to H&K pistols, nor are their subguns the equivalent of H&K's.

One has been proven in battle by police and military, the other is an inexpensive fun-gun.
 
A better comparison would be the Kel-Tec and a Hi-Point Carbine. Or maybe the Kel-Tec and a Marlin Camp Carbine. Or perhaps the Kel-Tec and one of the Ruger pistol-caliber carbines.

I suspect that where the HK is going to shine is in long term use and durability.

Yes, they both use the same cartridge, but that isn't the whole story.
 
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