Now this is more like it! Now we're having some fun. I just wanted to see if you guys had some personality and I can see you do. Honestly, I do think the KelTec is a better pistol. I was just having some fun with you. A couple of points I did want to make are these:
I bought my Raven for $60 brand new and I'm suprised how accurate it is. It has never jammed with over 500 rounds through it. It's way better than the Phoenix Arms HP22 they currently make.
It's probably the smallest auto out there. It might be as heavy as the KelTec but it's definately smaller.
You lack skills if you are that bad with a P-11!
I'm not a bad shot, I just have a good arm. I used to play college baseball. I've seen a lot of people who are good shots, miss with the P-11. It's just not a very accurate gun. I think the P32 is better.
As far as power, stepping up from a .25acp to a .32acp is a baby step. They are both very weak. I would feel just as well armed with a .22LR.
The Raven, on the other hand, is made of cheap alloys and used the most inexpensive manufacturing techniques available. It was chambered in .25 because that was all it could handle.
True. You don't need steel and titanium to handle the .25acp. But then again, you don't need them to handle the .32acp either. I've noticed lots of companies are starting to adopt similar "inexpensive" manufacturing processes. S&W actually manufactured their own Saturday Night Special. It was called the .380 Sigma. It was a piece of pooh. Alumininum slide and polymer frame with hardly any controls. Big problem was they didn't charge $60 or $100 for it. Thank God they don't make it anymore. It was worse than a Jennings .380.
Back in the good old days we used solid billets of steel and milled our frames and slides. Now we use plastic or aluminum for the frames, and the slides are cast steel that has to be heat-treated after molding. I think that's okay as long as the gun doesn't KABOOM and fall apart or injure someone. As long as they use steel where it counts I feel safe. I think aluminum/zinc alloy with a steel breachface is okay with a low-powered weapon.
I think one of the reasons we don't have many Raven fans out there is because they don't make them anymore. I think if you shot one, you would be slightly impressed but embarrased to admit it. It's a good pistol for ladies with small hands. I would recommend practicing so that you can manage eyeball shots at 20+ feet.
All that being said I carry a .45acp for protection. Thanks for all your comments. You guys are alot of fun!