Keltec RFB 308... its here...

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I had seen one about 6 months ago for i think $1300 at a local gun show. My jaw dropped when i had seen it.
 
This is the first time I have seen one of these. I went to the Keltec site to see some video. It looks pretty cool. It is really weird seeing the forward eject work. It seems like the spent shells might get backed up in the system and cause a jam, but I don't know.
 
i think the sheer amount of innovation put into it and kel-Tecs customer service would justify the purchase, plus if it doesnt satisfy you i doubt youd have a problem reselling it at this point
 
Mine has been back to Kel-Tec three times and its still having problems! They've started to ignore my Emails now, too.


I'll be thrilled to sell mine to a Kel-Tec true believer at the price this Auction closes at.

Use the search, I've posted details and photos of the failures in other threads.
 
I am surprised people will pay that for an unproven weapon.

It's pretty well proven as a problematic design that has a wide variety of issues which makes it even more surprising. If somebody is bidding on Buds then they should be able to read about it's faults.
 
Has anyone handled or fired one of these?
I own one, nice rifle for what it is; probably the best bullpup out there IMHO!

I am surprised people will pay that for an unproven weapon.
Mine has proven to be a nice rifle; good hunter and I think it would make a nice CQB rifle. Somebody has to be the first!
Mine was one of the first 600.

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I was pretty interested in this when I first got wind of it in '06 or '07 and followed it since. I for one, will NOT pay nowhere near that for an unproven rifle. I'd much rather have an FN SCAR for the price (that is what they were asking last I bothered to look, I understand the price has flopped all over the place). The SCAR isn't all that proven, but the only complaints I hear are the plastic pin in the stock (there is a fix) and the plastic safety (a fix for that too).

I've heard of all kinds of problems with the RFB and they aren't easy fixes. I waited until '10 or so to get one to see what kind of problems would arise, I definitely wasn't paying to be a beta tester and paying a premium on top of that. Now I'd only get one if it were under $800 or so and mostly to tinker with it to see if I could improve the design (I did successfully turn a DSA STG58 into a decent SDM rifle capable of 1-2MOA with the occasional flier, still trying to rationalize those fliers though!).

Too bad, because I kind of had high hopes for it, thought that maybe Keltec would get serious --which would have been nice, considering they are the only US company with any real innovation, I have to give them that credit.

Problem is that innovation in this country has been stifled to the degree we probably can't climb out without a complete overhaul, and this is evident in every product and every design in America today. Had the rifle been built like it should have, it would have been several thousand and would not have sold. Had it been built cheaper, it wouldn't have worked as well as it does. As it is, it is too cheap to be of use, but too expensive to be of value, just like 99% of American products made today.

I'm amazed companies even come out with new designs anymore. They aren't getting a government contract, that is for sure, the army has entertained bids for 50 years and turned every one down. Unless you can make a rifle better than the M4 for $600 or less and that is including your profit, it ain't happening (save a quantum leap). Unless you have a *hope* of getting a governemnt contract, it isn't worth it, because the civilian market will be driven by that very contract, which is the reason the AR is so popular today.

Yeah, too many problems for too many dollars.
 
It sold on auction for $1651. Wow.

If something breaks can you even buy spare parts?
 
If something breaks can you even buy spare parts?

No, you send it in and they fix it for free.

They have a brand new concept; it's called warranty! :rolleyes:

If you guys are to tight to spend the money, just don't buy it but don't hate something you have no experience with; that's just childish.

The gun is really not that bad. No it is not my favorite above my AR's or M1A but I love it like an ugly child none the less.
 
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No, you send it in and they fix it for free

Yes that is nice but will likely take your gun out of commission for several weeks while the repair work is done.
 
I'm amazed companies even come out with new designs anymore. They aren't getting a government contract, that is for sure

How big are the armies of China and Pakistan combined? How many guns were sold in the US During Obama's first year in office?

Government contracts are not the prime mover anymore.

In general this is good for innovation, unfortunately, innovative doesn't equal successful.

I'd like my RFB if it were reliable, but it isn't and they can't seem to fix it.

Its not impressive accuracy wise off sandbags, but I love the way it handles shooting steel plates, too bad its not reliable enough to actually be useful :(
 
Loosening gun laws would generate more gun innovation which would help drive the economy by creating jobs and purchases and sales tax, etc.

As for the RFB, I like the concept. I'd be willing to pay $700-800 for it. But what does it do that my $400 pump doesn't?
 
Just what I need!

7.62x51 muzzle blast closer to my face.
I'm sure that compensator makes the experience delightful.

Some things are truly the answer to the question nobody would ask.
While I question the utility, I do admire the cleverness and ingenuity.

I want one of those big machete-knives like I saw in "Book of Eli" too.
Bring on the cannibals and zombies!
 
Loosening gun laws would generate more gun innovation which would help drive the economy by creating jobs and purchases and sales tax, etc.

As for the RFB, I like the concept. I'd be willing to pay $700-800 for it. But what does it do that my $400 pump doesn't?
Well, for one, the RFB shoots .308's while your pump shoots 12 gauge. The KSG shoots 15 12 gauge rounds for $700ish. I don't think your pump does that either, but at that point you're paying for round count.
 
7.62x51 muzzle blast closer to my face.
I'm sure that compensator makes the experience delightful.

Some things are truly the answer to the question nobody would ask.
While I question the utility, I do admire the cleverness and ingenuity.

I actually think it would be a nice platform to run suppressed as it could maintain barrel length yet not be overly long and front heavy with a suppressor like a lot of 18" 308 semis would be.

I'm still yet to even see a RFB in a gun store, so it is somewhat of a moot point. I really like the RFB on paper but the many reports I have read make me really question the execution (which based on the other Kel tecs I've owned is par for the course with them) . There seem to be way too many reports of problems some of which are pretty significant given how few of these things have been built. Its one thing to find a bunch of online reports about a gun that there are 10s of thounsands built another when it was several hundred. Based on the reports I've seen this thing isn't stunningly accurate either. I wonder if these issues are what has kept production from ever really ramping up on these things. I wish someone like FN was making this thing. Then I would not only be able to find one in a store I would know it would work and be accurate.

But what does it do that my $400 pump doesn't?

Really, you think a pump shotgun can serve all the same roles and perform all the same functions as a 308 rifle?

They have a brand new concept; it's called warranty!

Wally seems to report it is serving him well.


If you guys are to (sic) tight to spend the money, just don't buy it but don't hate something you have no experience with; that's just childish.

I don't think it is fair to equate all critiques with someone being too tight. I have a number of guns that eclipse the asking price of the RFB. I simply don't think the RFB warrants its asking price. Saying that I wouldn't give $X for a particular gun is not the same as saying I won't spend that period. I may yet buy an RFB but it needs to be much more proven first.

Also pointing out legitimate critiques is not the same as "hating."
 
I don't think it is fair to equate all critiques with someone being too tight. I have a number of guns that eclipse the asking price of the RFB. I simply don't think the RFB warrants its asking price. Saying that I wouldn't give $X for a particular gun is not the same as saying I won't spend that period. I may yet buy an RFB but it needs to be much more proven first.

Also pointing out legitimate critiques is not the same as "hating."

Fair enough, 20-30K more rounds and 15-20 more years and I'll sell you mine! ;)
 
Agree on too much price for me. I thought of getting a AUG years back and felt they we over priced used @ 1400.00. Now they are asking 2500.00 and up. Have the same fun with my 2 AR-15's.. Just sayin'
 
I'll buy one when they drop to $900.

I'm after a $600 KSG though. I'm holding off on all shotgun purchases and putting money aside for a KSG with an Eotech XPS2-0 or Aimpoint T1.
 
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They have a brand new concept; it's called warranty!
Wally seems to report it is serving him well.

Nope its fail!

Back three times and still not fixed, now they are ignoring my Emails!

They either hope I just go away or waste even more of my time waiting on the phone to try and call them.


Just what I need!

7.62x51 muzzle blast closer to my face.
I'm sure that compensator makes the experience delightful.

Its not at all unpleasant to shoot, when it works.
 
I like Kel-tec. I have a couple of their pistols. So far none of their rifles sing to me. I really wouldn't pay that high of a price for the RFB. Maybe $400.00 no more.
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