Kerry's Iowa AK-47 tale from the debate

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Pre written script:
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040914-123037-7051r.htm

Kerry hits Bush for lapse of gun ban
By Stephen Dinan
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published September 14, 2004

_"Let me be very clear. I support the Second Amendment. I am a gun owner. I am a hunter. I've been a hunter since I was a kid. But I'm also, forever, a law-enforcement officer. And I know as a gun owner, as a hunter, I never thought about going hunting with a military assault rifle," Mr. Kerry said.
____Mr. Kerry also said Mr. Bush and congressional Republicans are playing games by blaming each other for the ban lapse.
____"The House says, through Tom DeLay, [the measure] isn't going to get sent to [the president], but if he asks for it we'll send it to him. Well, why didn't you ask?" Mr. Kerry said.
Mr. Kerry himself told a story yesterday illustrating the easy availability of the weapons despite the federal ban.
____He recalled pheasant hunting with a sheriff in Iowa recently. As they were walking through a field, the senator said, the sheriff pointed to a house nearby and said, "We did a drug bust in that house about a week ago. And we came in early in the morning. And the person that they were arresting was asleep, lying in bed. And lying right on the floor, right beside that drug dealer, was an AK-47."


earlier version of the script:
http://www.iptv.org/iowapress/transcripts/3109.cfm
10-24-03

Kerry: GUN SAFETY. GUN SAFETY, YEAH. WELL, I'M A FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. I RAN ONE OF THE LARGEST DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICES IN AMERICA, ONE OF THE TEN LARGEST COUNTIES. I'VE WORKED HARD TO DELIVER JUSTICE, PUT PEOPLE BEHIND BARS. AND EVERY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY IN AMERICA, ALL THE POLICE CHIEFS, ALL OF THE LOCAL POLICE HAVE BELIEVED FOR YEARS WE SHOULD KEEP ASSAULT WEAPONS OUT OF THE MARKETPLACE IN AMERICA. WE DON'T SELL ASSAULT WEAPONS IN THIS COUNTRY. WE SHOULDN'T. AND AS A HUNTER, I'VE NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT HUNTING WITH AN AK-47. I BELIEVE IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WITH RIGHTS COME RESPONSIBILITIES. ONE OF THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES IS NOT TO HAVE ASSAULT WEAPONS. HOWARD DEAN, ON THE OTHER HAND, WHILE WE WERE FIGHTING TO GET RID OF ASSAULT WEAPONS, HOWARD DEAN WAS GOING TO THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION AND SEEKING THEIR ENDORSEMENT, EVEN AS THEY OPPOSED AND HE OPPOSED ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN AND REASONABLENESS IN HOW WE TRY TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY SAFER. I THINK THAT'S A VALUE ISSUE. I ALSO THINK IT'S A SPECIAL INTEREST ISSUE. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GIVE IN TO SPECIAL INTERESTS IN THIS COUNTRY. I DON'T WANT TO BE THE CANDIDATE OF THE NRA, MIKE. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD REPRESENT IT. AND PRESIDENT BUSH, INCIDENTALLY, RESIGNED FROM THE NRA BECAUSE THE NRA CALLED FEDERAL AGENTS JACKBOOTED THUGS. AT THAT VERY MOMENT HOWARD DEAN WAS SEEKING THEIR ENDORSEMENT. I THINK THAT'S WRONG.

Glover: ONE OF THE THINGS GOVERNOR DEAN SAID IN RESPONSE TO YOUR COMMENTS WAS HE ADMITS THAT HIS POSITION ON GUN CONTROL IS NOT THE TYPICAL DEMOCRATIC POSITION, BUT HE SAYS Democrats MAY WELL HAVE LOST THE LAST ELECTION BECAUSE OF THEIR POSITION ON GUN CONTROL IN SOME IMPORTANT STATES LIKE TENNESSEE AND WEST VIRGINIA.

Kerry: WOW, THERE'S A POSITION OF PRINCIPLE. LET'S PLAY POLITICS WITH GUNS. YOU DON'T PLAY POLITICS WITH THESE THINGS, MIKE. PEOPLE WANT A PRESIDENT WHO IS GOING TO STAND UP FOR COMMON SENSE. COMMON SENSE IS IF YOU WANT TO HANDLE AN ASSAULT WEAPON, WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF PLACES IN THE U.S. MILITARY FOR YOU. YOU CAN GO TO BAGHDAD. YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE ELSE. WE SHOULDN'T SELL THOSE GUNS IN AMERICA. YOU KNOW, IT WAS INTERESTING WHEN I WAS AT THAT PHEASANT SHOOT THIS AFTERNOON, THE SHERIFF -- I WAS WITH PAUL FITZGERALD AND WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, STEVE HOLMES, AND THEY POINTED TO A HOUSE THAT WAS RIGHT LODGED IN NEAR HIS FARM THAT THEY JUST RAIDED AND SHUT DOWN. IT WAS A METHAMPHETAMINE HOUSE, A CRACK HOUSE. AND THE GUY THEY ARRESTED THERE WHEN THEY RAIDED IT HAD A LOADED AK-47 BESIDE HIS BED. NOW, I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU, I'M FOR GETTING RID OF -- BANNING -- I'M FOR BANNING ASSAULT WEAPONS. THEY SHOULDN'T BE SOLD IN AMERICA. IF HOWARD DEAN THINKS HE WANTS TO GO OUT TO AMERICA AND SELL SOME KIND OF FANCY POSITION, THAT'S, I THINK, NOT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY VALUES. I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE AMERICAN VALUES, AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE CONNIVING POLITICALLY TO UNDERMINE PRINCIPLES.

Yepsen: WELL, SENATOR, YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS HUNTING TRIP. IT BEGS THE QUESTION HOW MANY OF OUR PHEASANTS DID YOU SHOOT TODAY.

Kerry: I MANAGED TO TAKE TWO WONDERFUL ONES, AND I'M APPRECIATIVE. AND MY WIFE IS SO EXCITED. SHE SAID, "GOD, YOU'VE GOT TO BRING THAT HOME."

Yepsen: AND YOU BOUGHT THE APPROPRIATE LICENSES, I ASSUME.

Kerry: YES, SIR. I BOUGHT IT OUT OF STATE, A BIG WHOPPING FEE LICENSE. BUT WHAT A PRIVILEGE. I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU, YOUR LAND IS SO BEAUTIFUL, AND I APPRECIATE IT.
 
I saw the debates tonight, and Kerry blatantly accused Bush of relinquishing the AWB ban, which he did not, that is suddenly releasing millions of AK-47's and assault weapons on the street of America with the approval of Al Queda, and that our police now have to face AK-47's. He must have said AK-47 ten times. The big lie.

Interesting to note that during the phony AWB ban, I bought a most capable and lovely Romanian SAR-1 semi-automatic AK-47. Of course, it had no bayonet lug, nor flash hider, collapsable stock, so I guess that makes it a non-assault rifle.

It is clearly an assault rifle for all practical purposes, except for the absence of automatic fire, which by the way has been outlawed in the U.S. since the 1930's. I just want to go to bed on that comment.
 
So you mean to tell me someone who would run a meth lab out of his house and sell drugs, would draw the line at breaking a gun law?
 
SCHIEFFER: Mr. President, new question, two minutes.

You said that if Congress would vote to extend the ban on assault weapons, that you'd sign the legislation, but you did nothing to encourage the Congress to extend it. Why not?

BUSH: Actually, I made my intentions -- made my views clear. I did think we ought to extend the assault weapons ban, and was told the fact that the bill was never going to move, because Republicans and Democrats were against the assault weapon ban, people of both parties.
I believe law-abiding citizens ought to be able to own a gun. I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere to make sure that guns don't get in the hands of people that shouldn't have them.
But the best way to protect our citizens from guns is to prosecute those who commit crimes with guns. And that's why early in my administration I called the attorney general and the U.S. attorneys and said: Put together a task force all around the country to prosecute those who commit crimes with guns. And the prosecutions are up by about 68 percent -- I believe -- is the number.
Neighborhoods are safer when we crack down on people who commit crimes with guns.
To me, that's the best way to secure America.

SCHIEFFER: Senator?

KERRY: I believe it was a failure of presidential leadership not to reauthorize the assault weapons ban.
I am a hunter. I'm a gun owner. I've been a hunter since I was a kid, 12, 13 years old. And I respect the Second Amendment and I will not tamper with the Second Amendment.
But I'll tell you this. I'm also a former law enforcement officer. I ran one of the largest district attorney's offices in America, one of the ten largest. I put people behind bars for the rest of their life. I've broken up organized crime. I know something about prosecuting.
And most of the law enforcement agencies in America wanted that assault weapons ban. They don't want to go into a drug bust and be facing an AK-47.
I was hunting in Iowa last year with a sheriff from one of the counties there, and he pointed to a house in back of us, and said, "See the house over? We just did a drug bust a week earlier, and the guy we arrested had an AK-47 lying on the bed right beside him."
Because of the president's decision today, law enforcement officers will walk into a place that will be more dangerous. Terrorists can now come into America and go to a gun show and, without even a background check, buy an assault weapon today.
And that's what Osama Bin Laden's handbook said, because we captured it in Afghanistan. It encouraged them to do it.
So I believe America's less safe.
If Tom DeLay or someone in the House said to me, "Sorry, we don't have the votes," I'd have said, "Then we're going to have a fight."
And I'd have taken it out to the country and I'd have had every law enforcement officer in the country visit those congressmen. We'd have won what Bill Clinton won.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,135380,00.html
 
The Bush position on background checks was enlightening "I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere to make sure that guns don't get in the hands of people that shouldn't have them. "

So...under his background check ideal world scenario, I sell a gun to a neighbor and we have to go thru some kind of background check? This is someone who wants my vote? Sorry Mr. Bush, you ain't getting it this time around.
 
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And the person that they were arresting was asleep, lying in bed. And lying right on the floor, right beside that drug dealer, was an AK-47."
Yup, ban the AK47 then next year when he has a Glock, ban the Glock.:rolleyes: It will never end with these guys.
 
MODERATOR: "Senator, did the sheriff by any chance happen to mention whether or not that AK-47 was capable of automatic fire, or if it had a flash suppressor or a bayonet lug? In other words, Senator, since this drug bust took place during the period when the AWB was in force, was that AK-47 banned by the AWB, or was it the type that was legal for sale under the AWB?"

Oh, wait ... not part of the script. Sorry :barf:
 
If this @#$% calls himself a Law Enforcement Officer one more time, a major blood vessel will burst in my head.
I got to speak with some of Kerry's supporters yesterday at his little booths. I told them Kerry should not make comments such as "I speak for all LE about the AWB". They responded that he did and all officers want it renewed and that officer should not face automatic gun that fire 600-900 rounds per minute. Myself and the two officers I was with told them we did not support the ban and that those weapons were not automatic and could not fire that many rounds. To that they responded "well you believe what you want please leave".
Just confirmed all my beliefs about what kind of people these really are. Ypu would think they would want to know the truth about the info they are feeding people and what real police think. But no, not if it challenges their little world view.

Rant over. :banghead:
 
that officer should not face automatic gun that fire 600-900 rounds per minute.
You should have told them to do the math. Thats ten to fifteen rounds per second. In 3 seconds the mag would be empty. Oh wait, with the "Clinton mags", it'd be less than 1 second and the mag would be empty.

So they can reload that quick? What idiots.
 
Wow. Thanks for exposing the insipidness...

Let me do my part: http://www.libertybelles.org/articles/awscam.htm
"The semi-automatic weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons — anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun — can only increase that chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons." — Josh Sugarman, 1988, Violence Policy Center.
Back to Kerry: Don't you just love it when a gun-grabbing presidential candidate paraphrases a WWII-era Nazi?
Kerry: "COMMON SENSE IS IF YOU WANT TO HANDLE AN ASSAULT WEAPON, WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF PLACES IN THE U.S. MILITARY FOR YOU. YOU CAN GO TO BAGHDAD."

Anyone have that Nazi quote? Who was it, Goering?

Rick
 
"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA. Ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State"
-- Heinrich Himmler
 
Because of the president's decision today, law enforcement officers will walk into a place that will be more dangerous. Terrorists can now come into America and go to a gun show and, without even a background check, buy an assault weapon today

So instead of an AK-47, they will have shotguns....:banghead:


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If the AWB were such a big deal, the FOP would have endorsed Kerry, not Bush.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=38194

Police Call on Kerry to Stop Misrepresenting Their Support

10/14/2004 6:34:00 PM

Contact: Chris Granberg of the Fraternal Order of Police, 202-547-8189

WASHINGTON, Oct. 14 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Today Chuck Canterbury, the President of the nation's largest police labor organization, called on John Kerry to stop making misleading statements regarding his support from the law enforcement community. Both on the campaign trail and in Wednesday night's debate in Tempe, AZ, Senator Kerry has alluded that he has the support of the majority of these brave men and women.

"As the elected leader of the largest organization representing America's Federal, State and local law enforcement officers, I believe it's important to point out yet again that we do not support his candidacy for President," Canterbury said. "And to be perfectly frank, the groups which do support him actually share the same membership rolls and, taken together, probably comprise less than one-quarter of our nation's police officers."

Canterbury further noted that unlike the organizations which Senator Kerry touts, F.O.P. members as a whole decided that the Fraternal Order of Police would endorse the reelection of President George W. Bush. They based their decision, he said, on the record of the Bush Administration in supporting America's first responders-including helping to secure passage earlier this year of H.R. 218, the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act, the organization's top legislative priority. Bush also successfully fought to greatly enhance the benefits for the families of officers killed in the line of duty.

"While Kerry was flying around the country campaigning and leaving the actual work of the nation to his colleagues in the Senate, the President was out there working on our behalf," Canterbury said. "Senators Kerry and Edwards have missed so many crucial votes this Congress that I was beginning to believe there were only 98 members of the U.S. Senate."

Canterbury also said it was the height of irony that Kerry would use his position on the reauthorization of the assault weapons ban as a reflection of his support from police.

"First, if a police officer is killed by an AK-47, Kerry would oppose the death penalty for the killer," Canterbury said. "In addition, where was he when this issue was being discussed in the 108th Congress? Where was he when we were working to pass H.R. 218? When it came time to help push for final passage of legislation important to law enforcement, Senator Kerry was regrettably A.W.O.L."

"Given the facts, I would greatly appreciate it if Senator Kerry would refrain from making similar whimsical assertions regarding his support from the law enforcement community," Canterbury said. "The real majority of my fellow officers are standing behind President Bush, because he has been there for us."

The Fraternal Order of Police is the nation's largest law enforcement labor organization, with more than 318,000 members.
 
I know this is going to be a little off topic here, but everytime I hear Kerry say this:

Let me be very clear. I support the Second Amendment.

My head wants to explode.

Its just like when he talks about the "middle class" and "wealthy americans". Can someone please ask this guy to DEFINE these terms?

Ok, so he supports the 2nd amendment. What does he think the 2nd amendment guarantees? He probably thinks it authorizes the National Guard and deer hunting with shotguns from the prone position. So, yes, in his mind he does support it.

Define middle class? Hmm... Family of 4 making between 35k and 36k per year. Yes, they should get a tax break!

Those wealthy americans! Damn them, they should pay their fair share! What is a wealthy american? WE DONT KNOW! Probably any non-union person making over 50k per year or something whacky.

Someone needs to make him define his terms so we know what the hell he is talking about. Until then I puke in his general direction. :barf:
 
Tax breaks for Colo drug dealers who hunt pheasant with AK

Kerry states a number of times that he is talking about folks who make over $200,000. I am not even close to that number, but I feel that most of those folks earn that money so the gov. should keep paws off it just like they should keep their paws off mine.

I live 10 minutes from Colo and cannot confirm or disprove the story. Though he was hunting here, that is true, I think he had some old side-by-side. Probably worth more than I took home the last two quarters.

I just know that when I bought my first hand gun this year and my bro-n-law asked "WHY?" I said because "I wont be able to after Kerry gets elected". Now I need to buy more...... and/or vote Bush.

As far as AWB goes, maybe the anti's should blame their congressmen, they are the one who control and start legislation. Bush said he would sign it, sounds like to me if the majority of people wanted it, it would have flown.

giese
 
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