Kid suspended from school for DRAWING a gun on paper?

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I think the best way to fight this kind of nonsense is to fix the root of the problem, namely public schools.

Don't send your kids there, go to a private school. Support any type of group fighting for voucher programs and if you are religious, consider supporting the church that runs a religious school in your area.

This cancer is too deeply rooted in the teachers unions and administrators who are doing their own version of legislating from the bench, and I have a feeling a fight to change the system from within would be unsuccessful, so best to starve them to death with lack of money and support.
 
Did you see what the child actually drew? Look in the original news article.

My wife isn't exactly the most pro-gun person on the planet (let's say she just puts up with my interests), but even she thinks this is nuts. In fact, she thinks the drawing looks like a space ship ... with smiley faces.

My guess is that there's more to this story than the press is saying. No way do you suspend a kid for this. No way does a father allow his kid get suspended just for this. If that drawing is the extent of the story, and if it had been my kid, I'd have been all over the principle and the school board, and if that didn't do the trick I'd try to get the ACLU involved on first amendment grounds.
 
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It does look like a gun-shaped spaceship with happy aliens.



Definitely an H.R. Giger reproduction ;)

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This cancer is too deeply rooted in the teachers unions and administrators who are doing their own version of legislating from the bench, and I have a feeling a fight to change the system from within would be unsuccessful, so best to starve them to death with lack of money and support.
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You quit too easily. Public education isn't going away. That is a fact. School policies are, in the overwhelming majority of US schools, set by the local elected schoolboard. Do you know who sits on your schoolboard? In many districts, it's almost trivially easy to get elected to schoolboard. Your family and neighbors can vote you in. Did you ever run? It's a lot easier to get what you think are sound policies enacted by getting elected to the board than it is to get them enacted by moaning about a "cancer" in the school system on a discussion board.
 
If I were the parent, I would have taken my child's History textbook and shown all the pictures of guns within the school's curriculum/reference materials.
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Are you sure they're in there? Maybe we won our independence from Britain through non-violent conflict resolution.
 
It's a lot easier to get what you think are sound policies enacted by getting elected to the board than it is to get them enacted by moaning about a "cancer" in the school system on a discussion board.
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If you read a little closer you'll see that I wasn't moaning but was in fact offering a better suggestion than trying to change a corrupt system from within.

By circumventing the public education system entirely, either by homeschooling or private schools, you guarantee your children will not be affected by asinine legislation like "No Child Left Behind" or "Zero Tolerance" policies written by unthinking administrators.

I can then use my valuable free time doing more productive things to enhance that school rather than fighting against entrenched anti-gun supporters.
 
CBS 5 News tried to get more details from the Chandler Unified School District but were told, "Federal privacy law forbids the school or district from discussing student discipline."
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This needs to be addressed as well. It basically gives them a "Get out of explaining your actions free" card. Are they accountable to anyone?
 
By circumventing the public education system entirely, either by homeschooling or private schools, you guarantee your children will not be affected by asinine legislation like "No Child Left Behind" or "Zero Tolerance" policies written by unthinking administrators.
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So you and a handful of others_and it is a handful compared to the enrollment in the public education system_ go your own way. That means the vast majority of students are being inculcated with values and beliefs contrary to your own. Your children will, in fact, have to live in a society shaped around those values and beliefs. But you had better things to do...
 
I'd imagine it was more like this:

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Kids need to go back to stick figures to prevent from getting suspension. Whatever happened to creativity or visual learning?

Wow it looks like AZ is not all pro. You get them everywhere. So I'm not singling anyone out, like some.

I'd suggest what others have done, take a stand and take it to court. 3 suspensions is too harsh. Why couldn't they just send the kid home that day.

I bet the teachers, staff and principals are having a field day about this.
 
I remember in an English class in highschool a few years ago, we were given the assignment to make a collage of what we see as the American Dream. My friend, a gun enthusiast, cut out a picture of a pistol and put in on the collage; it represented the 2nd amendment. Our teacher, an ignorant young blonde vegan woman sent him to the office. Well, our principal was an avid gun owner and hunter and told my friend to basically just ignore her and that it's alright to keep it on there.
 
Excellent idea, CountGlockula. We have a basically sound public education system in place in the US that functioned well for a long time. There is no need to scrap public education. There is a need to make some changes. The main thing that is necessary is to get the kind of people we want in the system. That means sitting on schoolboards and teaching/adminstrating in the schools. The state and federal governments can be influenced in other ways.
I'm pro-gun and I teach. My usual shooting partner is my principal. Virtually all of my co-workers are either pro-gun or neutral. The system needs a tune-up, not junked.
 
That's EXACLTY what we need. Start apply for your teaching credential folks.
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well, in 1.5 years, I'll be "infecting" some unsuspecting American university with my pro-gun rhetoric. :D

That suspension is a load of bull. The parents should sue the school district for infringing on their son's second amendment rights and emotional distress. FWIW, the picture doesn't even look like a gun.

So what if a kid draws a gun on a piece of paper. If he draws a gun from a backpack to shoot a teacher, that's when you panic, not over this crap.

The solution is sue, sue, sue. Teachers rarely get fired, but a lawsuit is enough to make a school reconsider employing someone who is a liability and is more of a long-run cost, than a gain.

I've long thought that academia needs an enema and now is the time to start.

I know some of you keep saying, "private schools and home schools" but you still pay for public schools in the form of taxes. So, as long as I'm paying money for public schools, I'm not going to put up with this crap.

Flush 'em out. Lawsuit, Lawsuit, Lawsuit.
 
Wonder of wonders... I actually find myself in agreement with Joe... :what:

Well sort of... :uhoh:

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So you and a handful of others - and it is a handful compared to the enrollment in the public education system - go your own way. That means the vast majority of students are being inculcated with values and beliefs contrary to your own. Your children will, in fact, have to live in a society shaped around those values and beliefs. But you had better things to do...
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Indeed. Throughout many of the public schools there is a deliberate effort on the part of teachers and administrators to indoctrinate the student population to abhor firearms, and have nothing what-so-ever to do with them. Any association with, or interest in firearms that a student may show is instantly punished. The youngsters of today will of course become the adults of tomorrow, and carry these negative attitudes with them.

But while changing the system is by far the best answer, in some communities or school districts this may not be possible because of the prevailing political views of the overall area. If moving out of the district or community is not a practical option, an alternative method of educating one’s children should at least be considered.

Also in left-wing districts, indoctrination is usually not limited to firearms issues. All parents should occasionally take a look inside their children’s textbooks – especially those in middle and high school. :scrutiny:
 
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Concerning your "punishment" of Mr. Mostellers' son; I find it to be another fine example the ineptitude of today's educators.

How pathetic that you, Ms. Martin, are unable to distinguish the inane doodlings of a bored 8th grader from the behaviors exhibited by the perpetrators of the Columbine Massacre. I've no doubt that your inability to correctly assess situations on an individual basis will inevitably result in an ineptly run junior high school.

Please, do your students, and their parents, a favor and learn how to think, and judge, critically, an individual student's behavior contextually, as opposed to applying the intellectually devoid, and simple, process of "zero tolerance".
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Some government schools are better than others. But government schools are government schools. They all are about extolling the State and collectivism.

You want a sane education for your children? Then you have to home school or find a private school whose educational philosophy you agree with.
 
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