Kimber Montana, 7mm-08 or 280AI.

7-08 vs280AI

  • 7-08

    Votes: 25 75.8%

  • 280AI

    Votes: 8 24.2%
  • Total voters
    33
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troy fairweather said:
I like the Talley, I've always liked leupold std rings and bases but loonwulf have me some Talley for my browning and I really like them. Got them on the mauser m18 again from loonwulf. I like a low scope I like long eye relief to.
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Less to go wrong and large mounting surfaces.

Lined the bottom of the bases, as well as the top and bottom 150 degs. of the rings, w/ 3M vinyl electrical tape, and then greased all the screws before torquing.

They are like they are painted on, yet pop right off when the pressure is off.




GR
 
Do you have the 2.5-8 or the 3-10 I know 8 power is plenty but wonder if the 40mms maybe better in low light then the 36mm. We can't shoot before and after legal light so I've never had any problems seeing deer but if I'm think wood it gets darker quicker.
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I still don't have an answer on the cartridge, but do have opinions on the scopes. How much light gets through is determined by both objective size and magnification. If you divide objective diameter by magnification the number you get is the diameter of the beam of light that comes out the rear of the scope.

A scope with a 40mm objective set on 8X will let exactly the same amount of light (5mm) through as a 50mm scope set on 10X, or a 35mm scope set on 7X or a 20mm scope set on 4X. You can get bigger objectives, and lower magnifications and let more light through, but the average human eye can't use more than 5mm. Some guys still in their 20's with better than average eyesight can use around 6mm. Any more is wasted.

A bigger objective just allows you to use more magnification. Here, and in most places legal shooting time is 30 minutes prior to sunrise, and 30 minutes after sunset. I've made shots on game 5 minutes into legal shooting time with 20mm scopes set on 4X and could see just as well as I could with a 40mm objective.

The 2.5-8X36 used to be my favorite scope, but I'm of the opinion now that I'd rather just have a 3-9X40 for all around use and if I want something smaller I'll skip right over the 2-7X and 2.5-8X and go straight to 1-4X20. The 2.5-8X isn't significantly different in any way compared to a 3-9X40, or 3.5-10X40. You'll never notice the difference on either the low or high end of magnification. Not enough difference in size or weight to matter either and there are just lots more good optics and at better prices in the 3-9X40 class.

Up close 1X is amazingly fast, and 4X is enough to cover 90% of shooting needs. There is enough light transmission to be usable in low light at 4X.

And another vote for Talley mounts.
 
LoonWulf said:
Yeah, that would be practical......but still....to drop the .270? That just don't seem right.



Just went and looked again, and there's now .243 either......again not one of my favorites, but...wow....
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Seems like yesterday, was readin' Jack O'Connor's The Hunting Rifle, decidin' on what rifle to buy...

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Now, it's twitter and facebook likes.

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GR
 
troy fairweather said:
Do you have the 2.5-8 or the 3-10 I know 8 power is plenty but wonder if the 40mms maybe better in low light then the 36mm. We can't shoot before and after legal light so I've never had any problems seeing deer but if I'm think wood it gets darker quicker.

And do you think it's worth the extra for the mountain accent,
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If you look at the exit pupil on the low power is larger on the 2.5-8 x 36 than the 3.5-10 x40. If you like to sit on the edge of field or opening the 3.5 has an advantage with the power turned up on the scope. In the woods I like the low power and wider field of view at 2.5.
 
jmr40 said:
I still don't have an answer on the cartridge, but do have opinions on the scopes. How much light gets through is determined by both objective size and magnification. If you divide objective diameter by magnification the number you get is the diameter of the beam of light that comes out the rear of the scope.

A scope with a 40mm objective set on 8X will let exactly the same amount of light (5mm) through as a 50mm scope set on 10X, or a 35mm scope set on 7X or a 20mm scope set on 4X. You can get bigger objectives, and lower magnifications and let more light through, but the average human eye can't use more than 5mm. Some guys still in their 20's with better than average eyesight can use around 6mm. Any more is wasted.

A bigger objective just allows you to use more magnification. Here, and in most places legal shooting time is 30 minutes prior to sunrise, and 30 minutes after sunset. I've made shots on game 5 minutes into legal shooting time with 20mm scopes set on 4X and could see just as well as I could with a 40mm objective.

The 2.5-8X36 used to be my favorite scope, but I'm of the opinion now that I'd rather just have a 3-9X40 for all around use and if I want something smaller I'll skip right over the 2-7X and 2.5-8X and go straight to 1-4X20. The 2.5-8X isn't significantly different in any way compared to a 3-9X40, or 3.5-10X40. You'll never notice the difference on either the low or high end of magnification. Not enough difference in size or weight to matter either and there are just lots more good optics and at better prices in the 3-9X40 class.

Up close 1X is amazingly fast, and 4X is enough to cover 90% of shooting needs. There is enough light transmission to be usable in low light at 4X.

And another vote for Talley mounts.
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I've always liked the leupolds good warranty and I like they have good eye relief. I like a 3-9x40 but don't think the vx-3 are available in 3-9.

Hunting starts at Sun rise and ends at Sun set, so most spots light is not a problem. If I have the money is get better scope but anything more the 14 or so oz would take away from the rifle.
 
WisBorn said:
If you look at the exit pupil on the low power is larger on the 2.5-8 x 36 than the 3.5-10 x40. If you like to sit on the edge of field or opening the 3.5 has an advantage with the power turned up on the scope. In the woods I like the low power and wider field of view at 2.5.
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Most scope I just leave at 4x even looking over a field, I'll turn it up if needed but rather not even touch it. Like I said a nice fixed 4x would be great for me.
 
If it helps you any, I have a Kimber 84M Classic Select in .308 topped with a 3.5-10x40; it has killed many deer in all types of light conditions. Very accurate, very easy to carry and recoil is nonexistent (not felt) in hunting conditions. I like the short action so I would recommend the 7-08 - it will do anything you need done if you are a polished shooter. However, either caliber will be a good choice - buyer’s preference.
 
Might get your chance if you wait long enough. I want another scope for my ul ar upper, so I can move the 2-7x33 to my .350 legend.
After I buy the barrels for my American I'll see about getting one of those on order, and you can check it out first.
 
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