Kimber throws gun owners under the bus?

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ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP
America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization

June 5th 2008

JPFO ALERT:THE KIMBER KISS-UP

By L. Neil Smith <mailtto:[email protected]

For Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
http://www.JPFO.org


For those of us who make the transition from gun owner and shooter
to Second Amendment activist, the most disillusioning phenomenon we
have to face is that not everyone we might expect to be an ally in the
fight for the right to own and carry weapons can actually be relied
on.

When I first became involved in this historical struggle, Smith &
Wesson, that quintessentially American revolver manufacturer was
actually owned by a British holding company that didn't give a rap
about the Second Amendment, was much more concerned with the company's
sales to police departments across the country, and was inclined to go
along with any regulatory scheme politicians and bureaucrats came up
with.

Similarly, the late Bill Ruger, the head Sturm Ruger & Company,
never seemed to understand the Second Amendment. Paternalist and
aristocrat that he appeared to fancy himself, he actually volunteered
advice to the government concerning what he believed ought to be legal
(whatever his company manufactured) and what should be outlawed. We
have Ruger mostly to thank for the ten-round limit that was imposed
during the ill-conceived Clinton-Dole Ugly Gun and Adequate Magazine
Ban.

Some gun companies and their executives care only about the bottom
line. Hired away from soft drink or underwear manufacturers, the men
at the top don't really have any moral or sentimental attachment to
the product itself. They don't love what they do. They might as well
be manufacturing faucet washers. I don't suppose there's anything
wrong with that, as far as it goes -- I'm a big fan of capitalism,
myself -- but other companies are like the historic makers of fine
musical instruments -- violins and guitars. Money is important chiefly
in that it keeps the company and its employees going. What really
counts is the quality of their product and the satisfaction of their
customers.

Wildey J. Moore, inventor of magnum automatic pistols comes to
mind. He actually ran for office in his home state as a libertarian
and Second Amendment advocate. Ronnie Barrett stoutly refuses to sell
his famous .50 caliber rifles to agencies of gun-banning governments,
and he won't service the ones they already have. STI International
won't sell their nifty 1911s to California police agencies because of
the bizarre, insane microstamping scheme passed by that state's
legislature.

Regrettably, another famous maker of 1911s, Kimber Manufacturing,
seems to have trouble separating the goodguys from the badguys.
According to an article by Ken Hanson, Esq., circulated on the Web by
the Buckeye Firearms Association, and appearing on _U.S. Concealed
Carry Magazine_'s website, Kimber has acquired a bad habit: kissing up
disgustingly to the destroyers of individual liberty by creating
weapons especially dedicated to various California police agencies. In
Hanson's words, these guns were specifically "designed for a local
government committed to stripping civilians of the right to own _this
same gun_."

Emphasis added.

See: http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/5674

Hanson urges his readers to "educate" Kimber with regard to what a
terrible idea this is. It's exactly as if Jewish tailors in the 1930s
had taken pride in making uniforms for the Nazi S.S. There is no moral
distinction. The author suggests a number of actions that concerned
gun owners might take. chiefly calling or writing to the company at
914-964-0771x324, or via US mail at Kimber, 2590 Hwy 35, Kalispell, MT
59901.

Although Hanson wants you to warn Kimber and its dealers of a
possible boycott of their products by shooters concerned with their
rights, he suggests your communication remain "polite, professional
yet firm". I would make no such suggestion. This is a major breach of
an implicit moral bond between a gunmaker and its clients, it is the
rankest, most repulsive kind of hypocrisy, and it must be dealt with
no less promptly and harshly than I urged in my 2000 essay "S&W Must
Die".

See: http://www.jpfo.org/alerts/alert20000406.htm

The worldwide boycott which that essay helped to start broke S&W
and sent them plunging -- repeatedly -- into bankruptcy. (Much the
same thing happened to K-Mart when they foolishly hired the slavering,
hysterical anti-gunner Rosie O'Donnell as their spokeswoman.) It is a
story of which no firearms manufacturer today can possibly still be
ignorant.

In short, we must ask shooters to _kick the Kimber habit_.

I agree with Hanson about the need for gun owners to react to
Kimber's suicidal stupidity, but I would suggest _also_ dealing with
the problem at the other end. Why not a written pledge, to be taken
and signed by individual police officers, that they will never attempt
to confiscate weapons from civilians, whether it's during disasters
like Hurricane Katrina, or as a result of local, state, or federal
legislation.

If it's unconstitutional, it's automatically null and void.

That pledge can be archived by an organization like JPFO, and
openly displayed online, making it easier to see who the goodguys and
the badguys are. We could probably even design and make a nice little
embroidered patch -- it might say "BILL OF RIGHTS ENFORCER" -- for the
pledge-making police officers to sew on their uniforms. Until their
superiors, veins standing out on their foreheads and little gobbets of
spit blasting from their lips as they scream, order them to take it
off.

Of course that, in itself, will teach cops everywhere a valuable
lesson, and even make them ask themselves an important question,
"Why am I helping to destroy The Bill of Rights", and the Kimber
Kiss-ups should ask themselves the same question.

Visit JPFo_Org, and learn how you can obtain a Springfield Armory
pistol for just a few hundred dollars ........

http://www.jpfo.org/alerts02/alert20080415.htm
 
I really don't see the Logic of "Kimber is selling guns to cops in anti-gun states so lets boycott them." Barrett withdrew from selling to California Law Enforcement because civilians were not allowed to purchase his products. STI has withdrawn from the California market in response to legislation they opposed being passed.

Kimber still sells to California for both Law Enforcement and Civilian markets. Lets look at this from this point of view: Kimber does not want to help gun banners, but they do want people who depend on firearms to have their best products that they can also sell to civilians. I don't see any calls to boycott GLOCK, Smith and Wesson, Ruger, Colt, Springfield Armory, FN, HK, ect. who all build and sell guns to Military and/or Law Enforcement agencies whose governments have various gun bans in place. So why are we singling out Kimber? Is it because they built a gun to a department's specification (if so we need to boycott 1911s in general) or is it because they put something law enforcement in the guns name (oops, there goes a number of S&W revolvers on our boycott list).

Are we accusing all law enforcement officers of being gun banners? Or are we accusing only California cops? Maybe we are only accusing LAPD cops? Lets remember one thing, the state of California has pre-emption so a LOCAL government CAN NOT pass any gun control laws aside from what the state lets them.

For the record, I am not in california nor do I own any Kimber products, I do know alot of people who do and more people that are issued Kimbers by their departments.
 
STI has withdrawn from the California market in response to legislation they opposed being passed.


but they didn't pull out of CA... they still sold guns to LEAs and LEOs. 7 years after they did that made another big stink about pulling out of CA. when in reality all they did was stop selling to LEA/O
 
I'm pretty sure that article is talking about the Kimber SIS. A handgun designed explicitly for the LAPD, then offered for sale to civis, that is not on California's list for sale. There is definatly some hipocrosy there. Cops in California can have it, Civilians elsewhere can have it, but not civilians in Califirnia. Hipocracy, and eliteism. And Kimber is helping that by being willing to make custom weapons for Ca. LE. Is it worth a boycott? that's a personal decision, and one that can't really be discussed without delving into politics.


I perfer to boycott Kimber because they're overpriced.
 
"I perfer to boycott Kimber because they're overpriced."

And notoriously troublesome... Never been the least bit impressed with the brand as a whole anyway, but that's OT to the thread. Just sayin'
 
Hasn't this been discussed before? :banghead:

Boycotting Kimber is the slacker's way out. It's trying to make the gun manufacturers do your dirty work for you because you're too lazy to vote, too lazy to write letters, too lazy to talk to your friends and neighbors. You California people keep reelecting anti-gun bigots. Why is that?

LAPD doesn't make the laws, they just have to enforce the ones that the anti-gun bigots that you keep in office make? Don't like what they do? Fire them and quit crying! If you had an employee at your business who kept acting against your wishes would you keep him around and give him a raise to boot? Politicians work for you, not you for them.

If I had the money, I'd buy one of those Kimber SIS models just to spite you. :cuss:
 
"I perfer to boycott Kimber because they're overpriced."

And notoriously troublesome... Never been the least bit impressed with the brand as a whole anyway

I own 2 1911 style pistols, a Colt Combat Commander and a Kimber Pro Carry 2. They both cost the same (about $1000) and I have to say that I have had FAR fewer problems out of the Kimber.
 
A gunmaker...makes a gun...taking the customer's wishes into account.

The last time I checked, police are still civil servants, not the shock troops of the evil empire, and there certainly IS a moral distinction to be had between making guns for cops and Jews pridefully tailoring SS uniforms.

This abject loss of perspective and resultant shrieking histrionics is precisely why the credibility of the JPFO, L. Niel Smith, Lew Rockwell and GOA has been swirling around the drain for the last couple of years.
 
I'm not certain they should be boycotted for their political leanings. I just don't want their products, as they've become "too big" and not really the value they once were.
I'm sticking with Dan Wesson and other companies that offer higher value and better service and commitment.
 
I think Kimber should be called and asked about their stance on the issue. It MIGHT be different than described here. In any case, enough people calling and asking about an issue that sensitive is likely to make the upper echelon re-examine where they are on the matter.
 
Wow, can't believe I'm actually defending Kimber!!!

I don't see a connection to the OP's position. Kimber is a corporation that basically makes a nice contribution to American firearms ownership, and they facilitate firearms ownership to any lawful owner to chooses to purchase their products.

Doc2005
 
This abject loss of perspective and resultant shrieking histrionics is precisely why the credibility of the JPFO, L. Niel Smith, Lew Rockwell and GOA has been swirling around the drain for the last couple of years.

Although Hanson wants you to warn Kimber and its dealers of a
possible boycott of their products by shooters concerned with their
rights, he suggests your communication remain "polite, professional
yet firm". I would make no such suggestion.

That's why I didn't join the JPFO.
 
in 1997 they offered 5 models--mine is the classic custom gold match (slotted grip screws). they needed market share and were priced better than 30% under comparable colt's and others. 10+ years and 40,000+ rounds later it is still target quality and 100% reliable. recently, their eleventyteen different models are market driven and priced. thats neither good nor bad: what is bad is when asked about kimber , my last words are now 'if you get a good one'.
 
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Good on you, willbrink for printing that article. Most people are too 'rosy-sighted' and think the 'world' of these companies.
RUGER is another example. Bill Ruger has hurt gun rights in America badly.
 
Doc2005 said:
Wow, can't believe I'm actually defending Kimber!!!

I don't see a connection to the OP's position. Kimber is a corporation that basically makes a nice contribution to American firearms ownership, and they facilitate firearms ownership to any lawful owner to chooses to purchase their products.

Doc2005
I also do not see a connection to the OP's position. There is a large difference with S&W's 'deal with the devil' and Kimber's actions here. I need more convincing before I boycott. Did they sign a contract to develop microchipped guns like FiveseveN did? Did they sign a contract which screws all of their dealers and distributors?

Shall we boycott Toyota and Ford for selling cars to these guys?

P.S. Details on FiveseveN (Which are boycotted by me)
Linked article said:
And gun owners – heads up! On April 13, 2004, Applied Digital Solutions announced that its wholly owned subsidiary, VeriChip Corporation, has entered into a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with FN Manufacturing [makers of the FN FiveseveN that is drawing so much anti-gun scrutiny - ed.], a leading gun manufacturer, to develop a first in the world of firearms. Their objective is an integrated” User Authorization System” for firearms using VeriChip RFID technology. You shall be chipped in order to keep and bear. You had to know that was coming considering the 30-year, non-stop efforts to deny you of your 2nd Amendment rights.
 
I'm all for a boycott of Kimber. If all the firearms manufacturers stopped selling to LEs in Cali, I wonder what'd happen to their laws there?

Or how much they'd enjoy their used pistols in LE.

But Smith has a point. I doubt many of these companies care about anything but the bottom line. So the only way to impact their policies it to impact their bottom lines.

I haven't bought a smith since they pulled their shenanigans. Nor a Ruger since Bill pulled his stunt. And yes, I know he's no longer with us, so whatever point I'm making is surely lost. But I tend to have a long clear memory when I'm betrayed.
 
So much fuss about the SIS pistol line? Old news too, JPFO is behind the times apparently.

I don't really care about the SIS product line. Police need guns too. Not to mention that the SIS is not a legislative body, it's just a specialized police force. None of us are even in a position to say whether the members of the SIS are anti-gun. It's their bosses that are pulling the strings IMO.
 
More news from the gun groups to uneducated gun owners to get them to panic and run around stating the sky is falling.

What S&W and Bill Ruger did has no connection with a gun company making a model of a gun to highlight a particular law enforcement agency.

Kimber is not to blame for California's gun laws. I do not expect them as a maker of firearms to become activists on my behalf. After all that is my responsibility.

Everyone has to remember that as much crap comes out of handgun control, so does the crap flow from progun organizations.
It is up to gun owners to wade through the crap and get to the truth and not allow anyone to think for you.

Those who hate Kimber seem to be the ones who can't afford to buy one. A pretty petty excuse.

There are wolves in sheeps clothing, but Kimber is not one of them.

Lets direct our attention to the real gun grabbers in office and quit chasing ghosts.
 
feedthehogs said:
More news from the gun groups to uneducated gun owners to get them to panic and run around stating the sky is falling.
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There are wolves in sheeps clothing, but Kimber is not one of them.

Yup...

As much as I despise the left coast... (every time I flush my toilet, as a matter of fact), I can't fault Kimber too much. Business is Business.

That said, Ronnie Barrett is a true Patriot.
 
As much as I despise the left coast... (every time I flush my toilet, as a matter of fact), I can't fault Kimber too much. Business is Business.

That said, Ronnie Barrett is a true Patriot.

I think you hit it on the head there.

What Kimber is doing is just business, not "good" or "evil", so you can ignore them, boycott them or whatever and that's fine.

Barrett on the other hand has stepped way beyond what is normal and gone up to another level to send a message. Now in fairness remember that Barrett still works on and sells rifles to California LE through his distributors, just not directly. Net is that the CA LE community pays more for his products, they don't go without them if they have a need however.

Still, the gesture is worthy of praise.

Kimber is "just a business", Barrett is a "gun guy".

I'd prefer to do business with a gun guy but I'll not fault a business for trying to remain open until they take the HK or Ruger approach and decide that the "rest of us" don't need whatever it is they are selling.
 
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