King of 2 mile... wait that said 4 miles... WORLD RECORD

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It's a worthwhile accomplishment and I congratulate them for it. But I'd still like to see a 3 shot group once they get all their data dialed in. By now they should have a good idea about the zero and all the other factors that go into that sort of thing.
 
Ernie Bass said:
So testing weapons by pushing them beyond the normal distances is of no benefit? Cars, Planes, boats have all been pushed to their limits in order to advance those limitations.
I guess all test done should now be stopped. Just Stop testing now. Never push to limits. Does not make sense to me, but hey, I do not profess to know about ballistics to any degree of expert. Heck, I have a hard enough time shooting bulls eyes out of a 22.cal at 100 yds.

One thing for certain. If you never try to go beyond your limits, you will never have to worry about getting there. Let others shoot down the man that does try. The honor will be the man that knows no limits and not afraid to go there.
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You seem a bit set on this needing to have a practical application. “Because we can” has been all the justification needed for a wide variety of human endeavors. Trying to shoehorn this shot into some sort of tactical application stretches logic past the breaking point for some of us.

If the army needs something to be dead 4 miles away it has better systems to accomplish that goal. I think there’s a reason that after 20 years of fighting in 2 sand boxes that the longest confirmed kill stands at just over 2 miles.

Nobody here said it wasn’t worthwhile to push the limits, or that all testing should be stopped. Not sure where you got that. Questioning the significance of a 1.4% hit rate seems reasonable to some of us. Clearly you disagree, and that’s ok.
 
Actually do not care at all. Must be the dog days of summer. Much more serious things going in the Country than this stuff. I have deleted all most post. So count me out of this. Thanks.
 
In land speed racing you need to run a two way average, usually within one hour in order to claim a land speed record. They do this to make you prove beyond any doubt that it was not a fluke and you were not taking advantage of a freak weather system, or going down hill or any other trickery. You can go to the dry lake bed and go 600 mph and say yes look what we did, we went 600 mph, and nobody can take that away from you, but it won't be a world land speed record unless you can back it up. So I see this the same way. They made a hit at 4 miles, that's incredible, and nobody can take that away. But if they can't back it up with a second hit within some number of shots, then what does it even mean and why do we call it a world record? I mean you could bolt the rifle to a post at a 40 degree angle and lob bullets at the clouds from morning till evening and just move the taget to the bullet splashes and eventually you will hit the target by blind luck after thousands of shots, but that is only proving the laws of probability.
 
to me its the old saying, if you throw enough crap againest a wall some will stick. the 22 seconds of flight time is what bothers me, thats alot of time for wind to screw with your bullet. if it was for sh##s and giggles, have fun.
 
Of course there's a lot of luck to this.

But there's also a lot of skill.

4 miles is 21,120 feet. A fair chunk of people here think 100 yards is an accomplishment, and this is over 70 times that.

That's a long, long way for a 398 gr. bullet to fly through the uncertainties in the atmosphere and hit a target, not to mention the uncertainties in human handling of the rifle, bore fouling during usage, barrel temperature changes, etc. We're talking changes in temperatures/densities in the air along the ballistic path, changes in humidity, changes in wind speed AND direction, and that's not counting the constants like rotation of the Earth and curvature of the Earth.

Even though luck plays a part, when your talking about those kinds of distances with that size of projectile, a 1 in 69 shot really is more skill than luck.

Don't believe it?

Think about how many shots any of us would be required to take before we could claim we hit the target 21,120 feet away.

With or without a supporting team.
 
well if your shooting at a dead or sleeping target, the 22 second delay is a very-very big hill to climb. even at 76 i think i can run 100 yards in 22 seconds. i just walked 31 strides down the street in 22 seconds. you are going to have to shoot where you think your target will be in 22 seconds not where it is when you fire the shot.
 
Target at 4 miles, check.
150 rnd belt in 50 cal machine gun, check.
Spotting scope on tripod to see bullet splashes, check.
"Hey guys! Number 69 hit the target!"

Just kidding, I'd love to have 4 miles as a range....
 
first shot hits from a cold barrel are what counts, i would like to know what percent of first shot hits were recorded at the four mile range or even 2 miles.
 
I'm with the camp saying to repeat the success, I can't prove it now, but I'm sure the number of stuff I hit at 500 yds with a .22 when I was a goofball kid should qualify at this point, especially since I wasn't even aiming at those cowpies/rocks/sage clumps. The hit at 4 miles is applaudable but just in my more casual group of friends there's gonna be at LEAST one person yelling let's do it again! Again!!!
 
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