Knife vs Gun Force on Force video

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This video was shot during our Combative Pistol Course in Miami. Although it is only 4 seconds you can see a lot. First of all we call this the Hallway of Horror since because of the narrow confines you have little lateral movement and obstacles all around. Our shooter is armed with a concealed air soft Glock and draws in response to the knifer charging him. By circling to the his left as trained he makes it hard for the knifer to track him and land cut while at the same time manages to continue to move and land COM hits without ever bringing his arms to extension much less using the sites. At this distance if he were to extend his pistol he would only expose his inner arm to possibly fatal cuts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll98GjsxCIw
 
george...looks like he prob caught a slash or two during the continuous cirlcling...do ya'll teach a continous circle motion to evade or circle to evade then distance?

good vid...show the timing and motion well.

anyone who thinks FoF is LARP needs an eye opener or two...the stress involved and the mistakes that even a 'trained' gunny finds themselves making are great learning experiences.
 
Could be considered a "serious" variant of LARP perhaps. It can definitely be valuable training to try and roleplay realistic scenarios as accurately as possible.

Like I bet the defender's performance would've been greatly diminished, had he been standing in a small crowd of all the other students for 10 minutes or so, everyone wearing the same safety gear and armed the same, before being suddenly attacked out of nowhere. Meanwhile, everyone else screams and runs in random directions, some directly between the attacker and the victim. Movement, noise, other distractions, and the need to try not to shoot anyone else, would add an entire new dimension.

For a less high-intensity variant, one of the real old-school guys, like Applegate or Fairbairn, recommended issuing students absolutely, 100% unloaded revolvers, their chambers blocked with wax, and pairing them up. At completely random intervals throughout the day of training, when one person spies his partner, he'd yell "draw!" and then each would try to draw and "shoot" the other first. Supposed to be good fast-draw practice, and more valuable training than merely drawing and "clicking" over and over, or reacting to an anticipated beep.

Simple "canned" scenarios are much better training than paper punching, but still far less than a dynamic, unscripted, "role-played" scenario. Of course, you also need to walk before you can run, and crawl before you can walk, and just raise your head before you can even crawl. Each "level" of training has its uses.

But I'm sure Mercop knows all that already.

One idea I had awhile ago, don't know if it has ever been implemented, and I don't know if it'd be particularly effective, would be to have some sort of "after action report," as realistically as possible. Things like describing the medical bills and hospital stays which would likely result from the chalk or paint marks on the defender. The legal ramifications of accidentally shooting an innocent bystander, if it happened, and of shooting the attacker. Speaking of everything as though it were a reality, currently happening, that the defender is going to have to live through. Some people may react poorly to that kind of thing, but for others it may be a hell of a motivator to do better next time! "Next time" may just be the real thing.
 
Like after a scenario and we hand the person a cell phone and have them call 911 and no body pushes "send" after 911.
 
Like after a scenario and we hand the person a cell phone and have them call 911 and no body pushes "send" after 911.
You could
a) use a working cell phone, dial 911 and not push send :barf:
b) run the batteries down on a cell phone, or even remove the batteries, so the guy could dial 991 AND push send. Not as if you are going to hear the beeps after shooting a real gun with no ear protection.
c) get an old cell phone, break the antenna or otherwise open it up and hurt it so that he can dial a 'working' phone and hit send.
d) get a new phone, have him hit 9 with speed dial, so that some other guy on your team can pretend to be 911 and you can practice that too
 
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No game. Training like that is a real eye opener.

I'm not LEO, just a CCW holder that figured out having a gun and shooting at the range is not enough for real life.

I was amazed at how quickly a knife fighter can get to me. Also, in real life I'm likely to be within feet of the BG when he/she starts. Gotta know some basic evasion and fighting moves.
 
d) get a new phone, have him hit 9 with speed dial, so that some other guy on your team can pretend to be 911 and you can practice that too

For speed dial on many phones, you just press and hold the number (press and hold 1 for a couple of seconds dials speed dial #1). The problem with that is, pressing and holding 9 for a couple of seconds will call 911. It is that way with both of my nokias.
 
After you see the loss of fine motor skills and watch people dropping the phones much less dial them you realize they get the point.- George
 
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