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Kodiak Express Double Rifle

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Soap, Jan 7, 2003.

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  1. Soap

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    Does anyone own one of the Kodiak Express Double rifles? I've seen them listed in the Cabela's catalog. I've always wanted a double rifle but for a poor college kid they're a little out of my league right now. I could probably afford a very nice double rifle but only if I could drive it ;) I figure the Kodiak might be a good way to get into double rifle shooting. I'm looking specifically into the .72 caliber model.


    Kodiak from Cabelas
     
  2. denvas

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    This rifles are made by Pedorsoli of Italy. They were originally designed by Colonel Mike Powsnick of League City, Texas in the late 1970s. I have a double in .45-70 and have been very pleased with how it has stood up over the years. I have used it for hunting all sorts of game on several continents and am still here to tell you about it, despite a Australian water buffalo and African leopard who tried to make it otherwise. Very well made firearm with excellent wood to metal fit and lots of attention paid to the details. These are currently sold by Cabelas, Dixie Gun Works, NAvey Arms and others. I would check around and compare proces before I bought one. Good luck.
     
  3. Soap

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    Thanks for the info Denvas!
     
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    I have a Pedersoli double in .50 cal.

    I had a devil of a time developing a load that it shoots well, but I finally came up with the answer.

    It doesn't shoot round balls, common BP sabots or common BP conicals to anywhere close to the same point of impact. Yes, I could have used one of the two sights for each barrel, but that, in part defeats the purpose of a double rifle, at least to my way of thinking, because the second barrel wouldn't be instantly available.

    Testing showed that this rifle had the characteristic property of regulating a double: bullet weight is critical. My rifle prefers bullets of 450 grains, and despite the listed twist of 1:48 shoots them well (actual twist appears to be 1: 39.4). Trouble is that there isn't a readily available m/l bullet of this weight available in my area. So I purchased Lyman mould # 515141, listes at 425 grains, nominal, with #2 alloy. It throws bullets alloyed from 1:160 at 451 grains, and produces very consistent bullets. The problems were, unfortunately, not solved in entirety at this point. The bullets were very difficult to load as they were about 0.515" in diameter, and the rifle has groove diameters of 0.5119 and 0.5121". OK, I built a swage to reduce bullet band diameter to 0.5120", and reduce the base diameter to 0.4980" (0.0005" below bore diameter for these tubes) for ease in loading, and decided to add a hollow point to the bullet while I was at it. The bullet was markedly easier to seat, but still too hard to load for a practical field rifle. So I ended up building a second swage to produce rifling grooves on the bullet, these are just 0.001" wider than the corresponding grooves of the barrel.

    The second swage did the trick. The successful load is 80 grains of GOEX ffg, topped by a felt wad follwed by a pasteboard wad then the bullet. This combination is easy to load and accurate. It is capable of shooting grapefruit sized groups at 100 yards (off the bench), all that I feel that I should be able to do with my aging eyes.

    The sights? Oh yes, I replaced the blade in one of the factory sights with an express type blade I made. Why? I didn't like having my view obscured by what is in effect, if not intention, a buckhorn rear sight. I simply don't use the other sight.

    If you like a challange, you may like a Pedersoli. On the other hand, your rifle may shoot some sort of standard bullet well right out of the box.

    Bob
     
  5. Soap

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    Bob- Thanks for the comprehensive reply! If I pick one up, I'll be sure to reference to your post to help me out at the range. I figured that the rifles would have regulation issues.

    Dan
     
  6. Rampant_Colt

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    .72

    i did a search to see if there was any interest in this .72 double rifle and came up with this ancient thread - so sorry

    Cabelas is still advertising this rifle here

    if i get one of these rifles, i plan on fitting it up with musket caps in place of the #11 caps it comes with, and getting a .715 round ball mould as well.

    as i was researching information on this rifle i came across this page. . . My only gripe is he decided to go with the .50 in place of the .72:confused: ???
    this was quoted right from this page . . . look how powerful this beast is!

    Daniel Flory, did you ever get your rifle?
     
  7. 4v50 Gary

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    I have one I bought used from Bill of Oregon but I've never casted conicals for it to shoot. :eek:
     
  8. Rampant_Colt

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    @ 4v50 Gary

    what caliber is your Kodiak? - how do you like it?
    is your rifle reliable with the #11 percussion caps?


    please share your thoughts or any input you have...:)
     
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    .72 Oh OUCH Express!

    'Smith owns one, let me shoot it, dont know what tha point is lessen ya hates someone ta loan it to!

    Stocks ALL wrong fer me, too much pitch, tha thing goes straight up into mah cheek, bruises the holy havoc outta me! Shoulder too!

    I calls it with big loads tha maosicist special!
     
  10. Rampant_Colt

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    what's the matter many irons? too much gun for ya?:neener: lol

    Evidently there's a version i can't find with a smooth bore doubling as a shotgun called the 'slug gun'. *edit* found it here all the way on the bottom

    But here is the Davide Pedersoli site with some cool pics of the 'beast'
    the one i want is at the bottom . . (what's the difference between the standard and 'safari express' model?) And i want spare 10 gauge barrels too!
    i'm a glutton for punishment - lol
     
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    Yup. tha thing DOES hurt me! But i turn right around, buy a 10 guage sidexside hammers/caplock gun, replace tha cones with tha 209 primer replacement kind, have tha 'smith take tha barrels off at 18 1/2 inches load 'er all tha way up with 4 1/2 drams, one barrel 000 Buck, tha other a TIGHT patched solid ball.

    Do it bark, bellow and HURT when ya touches it off? YUP!!!! Do it make whatever in front of it go away? YUP YUP YUP!!!!!

    Sigh!
     
  12. Rampant_Colt

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    it takes a real man to hack the barrels off of a nearly $1000 gun! - lol

    when i get the 'beast' i will replace the cones with musket cap nipples (cones) and put a rubber buttpad on it.
     
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    Hey! Its only money! When ya wants something, price be damned!
     
  14. 4v50 Gary

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    My Kodiak is 58 caliber. Haven't shot it yet.
     
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    Kodiak

    I have a 54 and a 58, but haven't done enough shooting with either to have an opinion.
     
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    I used to own a Kodiak in .54 caliber, never could get the barrlels to regulate with any load that I tried. Did not want to deal with two rear sights, so I sold it. Maschoist that I am I bought a .72 about three years ago from Cabelas. Was lucky, both barrels shoot within an two inches vertically at 100 yards. I found that with a cardboard wad over the powder and a felt wad .715" Rb, a .010" patch, and 140 gr of 777 or FFg Bp both barrels shoot into a 4-6 area at 100 yards. Velocity on my chronograph is ~1400 fps. I removed the factory sights front and rear, replacing them with the lowest express rear and an ivory bead up front. It is pure murder on bears in the berry-patches!
     
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    @ Mercerlake - any pics? what type of bears?
     
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    More importantly, what type of berries?



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    Kodak Express Double Rifle

    Years ago, when these guns first came out, I heard horror stories that the extreme reciol caused conicals in the other unfired barrel to move forward, causing a dangerous situation(they were only available in 58 cal. in those days...):eek:
     
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    Berries? Bears? Both are black bears and berries. Also very close, this lead to the second barrel as cheap insurance. Most black bears run off unless you've done something foolish, like wounding him. Also they tend to run the direction they are looking when they get hit, so it helps to break them down real good. Big Round balls work great up close. Have rugs and skins, will try to get pictures posted. Biggest I've taken so far is a black that squared 7' 4" and a cinnamon at 6'8".
     
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    Recoil with slugs/conicals will cause the slug in the clean unfired barrel to slip. Tried wrapping the slug with dental floss to tighten them, also even PP some, it worked. PRb is simpler. That was one of the reasons that I passed the earlier .54 on to someone else. Big Round balls penetrate all the way through the bear or elk for that matter, I've broken a lot of big bones, not mine, on bear/elk and they still penetrate. Slugs will generally out penetrate a Rb of the same caliber, but once they exit it's wasted penetration. It's a matter of being close enough for the Rb to be effective, also you are limited by the open sights, so slugs aren't an advantage to me. Also regulating the barrels is simplified with PRb.
     
  22. Steve Lee Parsons

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    Kodiak MK IV 45-70

    Just broke in my new Kodiak MK IV. What a piece of machinery ! Probably the best value in a cartridge Double Rifle ever. Tight 3 inch groups in the 10 ring. Mild recoil. Less than my 12 gauge, and much less than my 30-30 Winchester Carbine. Over 10 pounds of Italian steel helps, as does the thick butt pad. Great looking firearm. You can cock both hammers without fear of a double-bang. One reason these were so popular is that no rifle could get off two shots as quick. Just make sure you hit the mark. Great finish and balance. And, the reaction at the range when you open the case and put it together. Priceless !
     
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    .58 x .58 love it shoot it all day

    I've got a 58 x 58, love load up both barrels and blast away all day at the range. Love the looks of the rifle great shooter. Love the response from fellow shooters, what kind of canon you got there? Shoots good group2.5 - 3 inches at 75yds. Don't much care for the exhaust from the left barrel though. Wife shots it as well and loves it but not the powder burn on the left forearm, we live in florida it is 85-90 degrees in the shade when we shoot.
     
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    Left arm

    It soon taught me to wear a long sleeved shirt. Also taught me why they have right and left hand locks on single barreled cap locks.
     
  25. Rampant_Colt

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    I still have cap fragments in my wrist from shooting my friends .58 Kodiak when i was a kid! This was approximately 25 years ago..

    I ended up buying an AR15 instead of the .72 for variety of reasons.
    Anyone notice the price increase of these at Cabelas?
     
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