DT Guy
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That's a LOT of parts in the top end of a '1911', methinks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHTcfTG9A-k#t=176
Larry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHTcfTG9A-k#t=176
Larry
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UpperAtmosphere
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Korth...could you use it in a sentence?
Certainly.
"This gun is gonna Korth you a lot of money."
Certainly.
"This gun is gonna Korth you a lot of money."
Sam Cade
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The captions are hilarious non sequiturs.
Whut?
Korth said:
Whut?
jerkface11
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What's the huge thing that attaches to the end of the barrel?
funklord12
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Looks like a silencer judging by the baffles.
tark
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I can't help but weigh in on this one. I know a little about 1911s, as I have worked for Les Bear for 23 years and counting. I had to smile when I saw that Korth. Leave it to the Germans to take something simple, make it complicated beyond belief, and then declare that it is now the ultimate example of the breed. I have never fired a Korth, I will admit that up front. I have, at shot shows, examined several and was rather shocked, considering the price, at the number of machining marks and lines that were not polished out before finishing. I was told I didn't know what I was talking about. I invited the gentleman to come over to our booth, or ANY of the custom 1911 booths and compare exterior finishes. He came over about an hour later, examined several of our guns and stalked off without saying a word.
Why in earth the people at Korth feel it is necessary to put an HK91 roller locking system on a 1911, Ill never know. I suppose it was to gain a fixed barrel which theoretically improves accuracy. Seems to me like the solution to a non-existent problem. I'll bet they don't sell many in this country, at least not at the prices they will probably charge.
Why in earth the people at Korth feel it is necessary to put an HK91 roller locking system on a 1911, Ill never know. I suppose it was to gain a fixed barrel which theoretically improves accuracy. Seems to me like the solution to a non-existent problem. I'll bet they don't sell many in this country, at least not at the prices they will probably charge.
bigfatdave
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Roller-locked?
... Like my CZ52? What a revolutionary concept!
It looks pretty cool, I'd greatly enjoy taking one completely apart next to a GI and modern enhanced m1911 clone, and re-assembling them.
I suspect that the price will prohibit my recreational mechanical investigations.
I also got a laugh out of "Engleutsch".
... Like my CZ52? What a revolutionary concept!
It looks pretty cool, I'd greatly enjoy taking one completely apart next to a GI and modern enhanced m1911 clone, and re-assembling them.
I suspect that the price will prohibit my recreational mechanical investigations.
Indeed. I'll give a pass on those, they're obviously not from a native English speaker/writer.Sam Cade said:
I was going to call it "Der Engrish" - but apparently someone beat me to it and called terrible German-influenced English "Denglish".HOOfan_1 said:
I also got a laugh out of "Engleutsch".
Justin
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This is the kind of thing that would appeal to a Bullseye competitor with an essentially unlimited budget. Years ago, I knew a guy who was attempting to have a gunsmith build a 1911 for him that used a similar system, but would have an outward appearance that would allow the gun to be used in EIC hardball matches.
No idea whatever became of the pistol.
Having looked at some Korth guns in the past, they strike me as the kind of product designed to appeal the the same group of people who collect wine or extremely intricate and expensive mechanical watches.
I think it is sad that "1911" is such an important marketing term that you have to take a nice pistol design and disguise it as a 1911.
The roller delayed blowback P9S is a fantastic shooting pistol, as accurate as a bullseye gun, soft shooting and totally reliable. (It is not roller locked, like a CZ-52). It also remains just as accurate as the gun wears because the parts that ensure accuracy aren't also the parts that are worn by cycling.
Korth is an interesting company, but their autos have always been ugly. Maybe that's why they copied the external appearance of a 1911 since they can't design a good looking gun on their own.
The roller delayed blowback P9S is a fantastic shooting pistol, as accurate as a bullseye gun, soft shooting and totally reliable. (It is not roller locked, like a CZ-52). It also remains just as accurate as the gun wears because the parts that ensure accuracy aren't also the parts that are worn by cycling.
Korth is an interesting company, but their autos have always been ugly. Maybe that's why they copied the external appearance of a 1911 since they can't design a good looking gun on their own.
Well, it is not a 1911 - the term "1911" really means the U.S. Army model of that year, but even as a generic term for a pistol of that type it means a recoil operated, dropping barrel action, using a link. A roller locked pistol is a perfectly good design, but it isn't a "1911".
Second, it doesn't have a "fixed barrel." The barrel may not move in normal operation, but it comes off with the slide when the pistol is dismounted, so it it not "fixed".
Design overkill.
Jim
Second, it doesn't have a "fixed barrel." The barrel may not move in normal operation, but it comes off with the slide when the pistol is dismounted, so it it not "fixed".
Design overkill.
Jim
Finally actually watched the video. It is pretty much a P9S top end on a 1911 frame. Wouldn't be the first time someone's put a different mechanism on top of a 1911 frame. It will be exceptionally accurate and tolerate all sorts of different stuff being mounted on the barrel without effecting function.
In reference to Tark's statement about machine marks, I recall reading that the tough steel Korth uses has to be ground to shape, rather than machined. I wonder if that might be the source of less than perfect finishing - it just isn't that easy to do when it isn't 4140 or whatever most forged 1911 frames are made of.
In reference to Tark's statement about machine marks, I recall reading that the tough steel Korth uses has to be ground to shape, rather than machined. I wonder if that might be the source of less than perfect finishing - it just isn't that easy to do when it isn't 4140 or whatever most forged 1911 frames are made of.
InkEd
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You'd think with the money they charge for their stuff they could at least show a working prototype or hire a decent animator. LOL
Jim Watson
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"Certain features," as best I can tell from the video, include the complete 1911 lockwork design. I see 1911 hammer, sear, disconnector, hammer strut, mainspring housing assembly, beavertail grip safety, trigger, and magazine catch. I cannot get a view of the ejector, but the pictures of the bare receiver show 1911 ejector post holes and retaining pin hole. And everything held together by a very 1911ish slide stop.
The firing pin block looks like the S&W SW1911 design with a plunger in the slide actuated by one rocker lever off the grip safety.
The upper assembly and the receiver cuts to accommodate the barrel are of course utterly different.
The firing pin block looks like the S&W SW1911 design with a plunger in the slide actuated by one rocker lever off the grip safety.
The upper assembly and the receiver cuts to accommodate the barrel are of course utterly different.
tark
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I know of no one in the firearms industry who does not machine their parts on CNC machines, and harden the necessary parts later. It wouldn't matter anyway, an abrasive polish wheel can polish even the most hardened steel with ease. I have removed rust from a Planer blade with polish wheels, and then removed the pits underneath. A planer blade is FAR harder than any part on any gun. I suspect the machining marks are left there because the Germans are more concerned with function that good looks. Maybe they think that a proper gun SHOULD have machining marks? Who knows?
I suspect that if you analysed Korth steel you would find either 4140 or 4340. Most all manufactures use one or the other, because they are near perfect for the job. For blued guns, anyway. I seem to remember seeing a lot of CNC machines in that video.
I suspect that if you analysed Korth steel you would find either 4140 or 4340. Most all manufactures use one or the other, because they are near perfect for the job. For blued guns, anyway. I seem to remember seeing a lot of CNC machines in that video.
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