L&L AP flipping cases over before going down the tube from the hopper,help!

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Hello Gents, I just got a case feeder for my Hornady L&L AP and it is flipping about every third case over before it goes down the tube.:banghead: I am loading .40 caliber S&W and have the small feed plate installed in the hopper. Should I try the large feed plate? Anybody out there that's had this same problem please give me a hand,Thanks in advance!
 
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I think your using the wrong shell plate. I have my small marked as 9mm/380 and smaller. So I would try the larger pistol plate.
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It calls for the small plate in the manual but the 10mm it calls for the large. That is kind of weird to me. I know the difference in the cases but they are not that different.
 
Are you having any shaking go on? If the press is not mounted solid, shaking causes all kinds of issue with the brass feeder. How do you have the window set at the opening? All the open or closed?
 
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Solid as a rock. I just found the answer On youtube after some digging! In case you guys ever hear this question again maybe you can help them. So here it is, The collator actually is about a 1/2 inch too far to the right if you are looking at the front of the feeder where the cases come out. If you watch the shell come out it hits the side of the mouth area that leads to the tube after the case comes out of the collator. When it prematurely hits the mouth it flips over because it acts as a ledge. All you have to do is stick a credit card type of plastic in between the collator and the base,line it up so it doesn't hit the ledge and bingo problem solved! Another permanent fix is dilling the motor housing with a 1/4 inch drill bit and shifting the collator to the left! Thanks Guys for your time hope this helps you also!!
 
As the directions will indicate, the metal plate at the hopper exit is adjustable. Just change that rather than start drilling holes.
 
Thanks Realgun but the problem exist on the right side of the exit not the left. Unless you're suggesting of moving the already existing metal plate to the other side of the exit hole.
 
I have had no problems with 45 ACP and the large pistol feeder plate. I have no problems with 45 Colt either. I am currently running 357 Magnum with small pistol plate and getting flawless dumps down the tube. I have no experience with short cases and small pistol plate, like the combination needed for .40 S&W. Since .40 cases (anything larger than 9mm) won't go down the small tube, you might try everything in large (same as 45 ACP) and see what happens. Changing the feeder plate is certainly easy enough. The lower setup should be okay already.
 
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I have had no problems with 45 ACP and the large pistol feeder plate. I have no problems with 45 Colt either. I am currently running 357 Magnum with small pistol plate and getting flawless dumps down the tube. I have no experience with short cases and small pistol plate, like the combination needed for .40 S&W. Since .40 cases (anything larger than 9mm) won't go down the small tube, you might try everything in large (same as 45 ACP) and see what happens. Changing the feeder plate is certainly easy enough. The lower setup should be okay already.
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http://youtu.be/Syz6MOrRvko This will clear the confusion up of what the problem is with the Collator. If you will watch, the timing is off on this case feeder just as mine is. Identical in fact ! So maybe this can help someone else too someday ...
 
I've run into this problem as well. Hornady should have made the thing with an adjustable plate on both sides of the opening. Thanks for posting this simple solution. I'll be trying it out tonight for sure!
 
I agree with you Germ or they could have just done it right in the first place! But I'm glad this could help ya out man!
 
Blue68f100, If you don't have this problem then your collator is already lined up and timed correctly. The little slide door/plate is more for rifle rounds I believe, so it's not going to affect anything that has to do with this problem. Because it happens before it even gets close to that area of the mouth or exit. Watch the video and you can see how the timing is off......
 
It does impact how it falls out of the slot. The position you have it in is for the longer Rifle brass. If you move it all the way over to the right you will shorten the window for brass to get through. When I had mine set like yours it could drop 2 (9mm) at a time. My feeder is over 5 yrs old.

I started to add an adj chute to the right side but found out that adjusting it all the way to right fixed the problem of getting jams from pieces getting turned side ways.
 
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It does impact how it falls out of the slot. The position you have it in is for the longer Rifle brass. If you move it all the way over to the right you will shorten the window for brass to get through. When I had mine set like yours it could drop 2 (9mm) at a time. My feeder is over 5 yrs old.

I started to add an adj chute to the right side but found out that adjusting it all the way to right fixed the problem of getting jams from pieces getting turned side ways.
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The video is not mine but shows the flipping of the cases. I do understand the adjustment door and what it does but it has no impact on this problem trust me. If you watch the cases in the video they catch on a ledge because the are not able to fall straight down. Once you cover the small area where the ledge is being created, bingo the problem is gone. The ledge is there because the collator/bowl is not lined up properly and it allows the cases to fall to soon and therefore hit a ledge that is created by the misalignment...
 
That video does not show where someone first followed the directions on page 25 of the Operation Manual. The case feed door is supposed to be adjusted to close from the left to fit the case length.

The fix shown certainly looks simple enough, but I am not convinced we should be slamming Hornady about the necessity for it.
 
First off Realgun you are the first to even bring up slamming Hornady for anything. Second like I have already stated I understand the metal slide door for case length, but somewhere you are missing the point that the slide door can not fix this problem because it happens before it can even reach it. The collator /bowl is not in line with the exit mouth. That's why it hits a ledge and flips the case and that's why you can simply stick something up there with a straight edge and it fixes the problem. I have found an even better video to explain this because I know things get lost in translation somewhere in text sometimes. So watch this one and I think you will understand,http://youtu.be/7s0o3xHEKHk This is a fix that Hornady even suggested.
 
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First off Realgun you are the first to even bring up slamming Hornady for anything.
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Well, actually you point out what you think is a design flaw. Another poster wrote "Hornady should have". If we are going to even subtly undermine anyone's confidence in choosing a Hornady case feeder, it should be based on something solid. You must at least allow questions, aside from the fact that the workaround does indeed work..
 
Ok I think we are way off base here. I am not trying to undermine anything I love all my Hornady equipment, matter of fact besides a few Redding dies thats all I own. And I have spent a few thousand of my dollars with their company. And yes my friend I am pointing out that there is a flaw with some of the case feeders that have been sent out of the factory. Is it a complete design flaw "No" because it is a feeder that works when it is put together correctly. I am only attempting now to help anyone else that maybe having this issue with their own case feeder. Did you even bother to watch the last video or are you just here to argue. Surely you can see that there is an issue that the sliding door can not fix in this case. The collator is simply out of line, and thats it. I am simply trying to give a fix for that. I am glad your case feeder works without any problems but there are some of us that didn't get one without problems. So either you're here to help or you're not. You will not even admit that there is a problem evidently with some of the case feeders. I have shown you two video's that show the problem, that's about as solid as I can get. So don't say it's not based on anything solid. What questions are you speaking of, and are you now saying at least the fix works ? I can see that you are a Hornady fan and so am I. But I am wondering how I am undermining anyone's confidence here. Just because I post a fix for a problem not a "design flaw" that can help others with the same problem.
 
Did you even bother to watch the last video or are you just here to argue.
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Which one of us is "arguing"? Don't be so defensive. If you are going to suggest that my comments or questions are inappropriate, I might push back, so just lighten up.
 
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