LaPierre VS. Helmke on MSNBC Hardball NOW

[Quick Karl]

Personally, I find Mathews to be a magnificent buffoon who is unjustifiably impressed with himself -- but isn't that the case with every boob you see and hear on TV & Radio?

Stop for a minute and contemplate what all of these goons on the airwaves are surely like once the lights / microphone is tuned off… I doubt you could stand sitting in the same room with them for more than a minute or two.

You have to be an egomaniacal a**hole to get the job in the first place, because the average Joe quickly becomes bored with rational practical thoughts.

Ego, a positive self-image, and self-confidence, are all completely different things.

 

[gunshow]

Notice that there is almost NO media coverage in Iraq anymore? That's because we kicked thier butt!!! It's all but over, our soldiers are bored, we won, hence the news blackout.

Is THAT why our troops are still being killed every day

News crews have been attacked so many times that they're scared to go in there and stay for long. HENCE THE NEWS BLACKOUT on the ground in "eye rack."

U.S. government's troops are "bored?" Don't drink so much before you post

 

[Seekerrr]

Not to throw a wet blanket on the La Pierre glad-handing going on around the internet, but does anyone recall that the NRA fought mightily against Heller being heard at the SCOTUS? Why is La Pierre getting accolades for a victory from Chris Matthews or anyone, when the truth is, he/they had nothing to do with arguing/preparing the case and if he and the NRA had their way, this day would've never come?

I know that criticizing the NRA is risky business on almost all gun forums, so I won't go into anything other than this one issue. I just don't understand why La Pierre is being allowed to let Matthews or anyone else give him any credit whatsoever for a victory in a battle from which he ran away. If he had any integrity at all, he would preface his remarks in every interview about Heller by stating that he is only giving his own opinion(s) on the ruling and that he and his organization were not involved in any way other than trying to block the case from being heard.

Seekerrr

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Why is La Pierre getting accolades for a victory from Chris Matthews or anyone, when the truth is, he/they had nothing to do with arguing/preparing the case and if he and the NRA had their way, this day would've never come?

Actually I attended a speech by Robert Levy this past spring sponsored by the local Federalist Society and someone asked him about the NRA.

He said that they had worked out their differences on Heller and that the NRA had been an immense help once it became clear the case was going to the Supreme Court.

The whole issue from the start was that the NRA was scared that Heller was good enough to make it to the Court but not good enough to win. Considering that the final decision was 5-4 and that two of the five winning votes were appointed AFTER Heller was filed, it is hard to say the NRA was acting crazy.

On the other hand, Levy & Gura definitely deserve all the kudos for boldly moving ahead and handling the case expertly.

 

[Sans Authoritas]

Hm. I'm sorry to hear people think the "bazooka" question was a ridiculous question. (Except for the fact that the bazooka is over 60 years old and nobody would want to carry it around.)

Who was it again that said, "Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of every American?" Tenche Coxe, was it not? His was certainly a voice that spoke what was on the mind of contemporary men.

But I guess we're happy, as long as we have our hunting rifles, revolvers and semi-automatic rifles.

-Sans Authoritas

 

[Seekerrr]

The whole issue from the start was that the NRA was scared that Heller was good enough to make it to the Court but not good enough to win.

Yes, I realize their rationale was as you state here. That's really the point to me. They fought Heller up to the point that SCOTUS accepted the case and then gave it tepid support at best, and now want to ride the coat tails of a win they had very little, if anything, to do with. I suppose as much blame can be laid at the feet of the media for only looking to the NRA/La Pierre for commentary on the ruling, but I can't help but find it distasteful when I see and hear NRA spokespeople fielding questions without giving credit where credit is due, which isn't with them.

Considering that the final decision was 5-4 and that two of the five winning votes were appointed AFTER Heller was filed, it is hard to say the NRA was acting crazy.

I never accused anyone of acting crazy. I implied, and now clarify that I meant, that they ran from the fight like scared rabbits, and now have the audacity to portray to the public at large that they are the great protectors of our 2nd Amendment rights. Sorry, I just don't see it.

I have no problem at all with La Pierre or any spokesman for the NRA commenting, in a positive way, on the ruling. I just think they should preface their remarks by admitting that their role in it, if any, was minor at best. The reason I think that is that even on the several gun forums I participate at, it seems everyone is ignoring the NRA's history in bringing this case, and just accepting La Pierre et al as the legitimate spokespeople for the decision. If it's that way with gun owners, then I can only imagine how completely misled the general public is about the truth of the matter.

The fact is we won because we had truth on our side. The Founders did intend for the 2A to be an individual right. History and strict scrutiny of the English language bore that out to enough Justices to give us the win. If anything but undeniable truth were underlying our case, we would've lost, and we would've deserved to lose. I just want/expect truth to prevail in the aftermath of the ruling too. That's all.

Seekerrr

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

They fought Heller up to the point that SCOTUS accepted the case and then gave it tepid support at best

Tepid support? When Robert Levy spoke, he seemed very appreciative of the NRAs help and mentioned it was invaluable.

This is coming from the same guy who funded the case and fought with the NRA over the consolidation attempt, so I think the support was probably better than tepid.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that the credit goes totally to Levy and Gura with everyone else taking the supporting role; but it was a lot of work from a lot of people. Even Levy and Gura had to rely heavily on the scholarship of many other historians and lawyers to be successful.

 

[1944jimh]

NAZI Lies

Let me tell you Chris Matthews will do anything to extend his agenda which is the old NAZI saying "If you tell a lie long enough someone will believe it". I'm a firm believer of the fact of KNOW YOUR ENEMY AND WHAT THEY THINK. NBC is the worst of the lot when it comes to being anti-gun. I watch the TODAY Show all the time and they don't let me down in this respect, the bad part is now I have to switch to CBS for my evening news, don't we all love Katie Couric