Large bore pistol for deer?

Status
Not open for further replies.

SigEm73

Member
Joined
Sep 16, 2012
Messages
5
Anyone attempted using a large bore BP pistol for close range deer? I can easily get deer within 20 to 25 yards. Thinking of using my Walker Colt to take a doe later in the season. Without much practice, I can shoot a five inch pattern at 25 yards with one hand unsupported. Thoughts, suggestions, and experiences are very welcomed.

Recommended load for hunting?
 
Most wheel guns are only good at very close distances for deer. Some muzzleloader pistols are capable of a bit more range. I know a guy here in PA took a doe with a Pedersoli bounty flintlock pistol. But that barrel is so long it is just a rifle with a pistol grip where the butt stock should be.

The law is unclear in PA as to whether cap and ball revolvers are even legal for big game. They are not muzzle loaders, and not rim fire. We can use manually operated centerfire guns, so the question is whether they are center fire. Keep in mind that until about 1970, Remington labeled all it's percussion caps as center fire. In the 1940's all Winchester's percussion caps were labeled center fire. (except musket caps) Before being purchased by Remington, UMC labeled it's percussion caps as "central fire" That is pretty strong authority that cap and ball revolvers are center fire for purposes of PA big game hunting.
 
The Ruger Old Army with suitable bullets (Keith style) will work. I've killed a hog from a tree stand with it and it would work with deer too at 35 yards or closer.
The Optima pistol is a single-shot .50 cal. that will deliver the same power as the rifle version. It would be good out to whatever range you could consistently hit a 6" group but under 100 yards would be very possible.
 
A good freind o' mine just kilt a doe at 30 yards two days ago with a Traditions Patriot .50 cap lock that he built from a kit.

The law is unclear in PA as to whether cap and ball revolvers are even legal for big game.

Zimm, that same friend o' mine went tooth and nail with our local game gestapo and they made it very clear to him no bp handgun can be used unless it is .50 or larger.
So, unless ya wana rebarrel to accept a .490 ball and make an appropriate cylinder for a ROA.Don't see ya bein able to hunt with a C&B wheel gun any time soon in Pa.

Mmmmmm...rebarrelin aint no big deal.Wonder if a ROA cylinder could handle bein rebored to .492 and or if there's enough 'meat' ?
Mmm..but then they could/would argue that the bore wasn't a true .50.
I spose y'ad hafta make a 5 shot cylinder that miced .502 er so and go with a true .50 Bbl.

Mmmm... a ROA that was a true .50. Now that would be reeeeal cool.
Costly endeavor.
Hank o' bbl would be available but the cylinder would need custom made and then there's a .50 rb mold.
Wonder what it would entail to change the timing for a 5 shot cylinder ?
 
Jim the min 50 cal only applies to muzzle loading pistols
Any center fire, manually operated is legal for deer.
Even the 2 mm Kolibri.
Cap and ball revs do not load at the muzzle
There is a fellow that converts roa s to 50 cal
 
Pretty sure we discussed this before Zimm.
I know we can hunt with center fires.
They told him NO Ruger Old Army in the ML season because it is not a muzzle loader and no ROA during 'regular' deer seasons because it is a BP pistol and not
.50.

There is a fellow that converts roa s to 50 cal
Seriously ?!?!?
A true .50 bore and cylinder even ?
Who is this fella ?
 
So could he hunt with a Raven 25 auto, and carry the Walker for backup?


Actually, I dont see where the OP said where he was from. Pa's game laws may not apply to his question.


Work out a load in the 50-60 gr range that shoots well in your gun and it shoudln't be too much trouble killing a deer, so long as its legal in your state. I think other states may also not consider the percussion revolver in the same class as muzzle loaders. Best to check with your state. It may be OK for regular gun season, or a "primitive" weapons hunt,
 
Last edited:
without too much practice, I can shoot a five inch pattern at 25 yards with one hand unsupported. Thoughts, suggestions, and experiences are very welcomed.

My suggestion is to practice a LOT using TWO hands.
 
Clements makes the .50 (.49") conversion. http://www.clementscustomguns.com/rugerrevolvers.html

".50 Cal. Ruger Old Army: This is a 5-shot conversion of the Old Army to .50 caliber. Gun will shoot .490" round balls @ 1250 fps and a 250 gr. .488" dia. bullet @ 1150 fps using Hodgdon's Triple 7 powder. Standard features include an oversize 5 shot cyl. made to fit your individual gun, 6 3/4" straight taper bull barrel made from a Kreiger blank with pinned blade front sight base, action job, and reliability modifications. Load data furnished. Cylinders are linebored for accuracy. $1195 on your gun. Extra .50 cal. cyl. furnished with conversion $600
For 6 3/4" octagon barrel with integral front sight base and dovetailed blade add $350.
Adjustable sight guns only for this conversion.
The 6 3/4" barrel is the only length available for this conversion.

.50 cal. bullet mold- $115

Notice: The .50 cal. Old Army conversions are only available on a limited basis. I only commit to build these when I have orders for a minimum of 4 guns. I will consider building them on blue guns with blue barrels and cyls. if demand warrants. Call me for details on ordering."

I have read a lot on people using .44/.45 cap n ball guns for hunting deer and hogs.

I have bought some of Kaido's custom 240 grain bullets just for this purpose. I've read of some getting passthroughs on deer using RB, but I'd feel better using something heavier and with a flat wide meplat.
 
I'd love to convert mine, but that's a whole lot of money! Could be a lifetime's worth of Kaido's bullets, T7 powder, and caps! And the .45 ought to work as it has for others...
 
To clarify my intentions on using a heavier bullet vs RB, this is due to the many hogs around these parts that easily weigh 250-300 lbs. Our deer are quite small around here (75-125 lbs), and I'd feel confident using a RB on them, though bigger ones can be found in the south and west of this large state.
 
My point in bringing up PA, is that states vary all over the place about the use of cap and ball revolvers and muzzle loading pistols.

C&B are legal in Maryland for deer. Maybe or maybe not in PA. IIRC, Muzzle loading pistols are not legal at all for deer in South Carolina. Some states pretty much let anything go.
 
Kaido's 255g with 35g of 777 should do the job nicely. I've been seeing a lot more penetration with these than roundballs, and the kick is hefty.
 
Once I get a holster made for it, I plan on carrying the Howdah 20 gauge for close shots on deer and hawgs.
 
A major disadvantage with most cap and ball revolvers, of suitable power for deer, is the revolver's sights.
Hunting requires very accurate bullet placement for a quick, humane kill.
The Walker and Dragoons have primitive sights.
Yeah ... I know ... someone will follow me and proclaim that their Walker gets 2" groups at 25 yards.
Fine. Great. But that's at the target range, where you can take your time, your heart isn't pounding, adrenalin is coursing through your veins, etc. Hunting deer from a blind is most conducive to accuracy, but if you're roaming through the woods you also have fatigue to contend with.
The Ruger Old Army is the best cap and ball revolver for deer-sized animals, but like any hunting you should be well-practiced with it before hunting.
Run 100 yards, pick up the revolver, quickly put five rounds in a 4" circle at 25 yards while standing upright and holding the revolver with both hands. Once you can accomplish that, you're ready to overcome Buck Fever, fatigue, exertion and adrenalin common to hunting.
A real sportsman has an obligation to kill his prey quickly and humanely. That's the foremost consideration. If you can't assure that, then don't hunt.
 
When lived in AK many winters ago, I made up a .54 caplock pistol and know a cow moose had her day ruined real quick from it with a double balled shot.
 
Yes, I am for deer. I have a 1860 Army with a 45 long colt R&D conversion cylinder. I'll use it for regular season buck. That big 200+ grain slug will put it down at close range. That is if I don't screw up!!
 
I was using the published velocity data off of some of the web-site ammo dealers for black powder cartridges and here is what I calculated as foot pounds of energy from some of the cartridges. Measured 10 feet from the muzzle and averaged over 10 shots. All black powder GOEX loads.

For the 38 long Colt I get:

145 gr. Bullet at 710 feet per second = 162 foot pounds of energy.
150 gr. bullet at 850 feet per second = 241 foot pounds of energy.

For the 45 long Colt I get:

235 gr. bullet at 845 feet per second = 373 foot pounds of energy.
235 gr. bullet at 685 feet per second = 244 foot pounds of energy.

What do you think guys enough energy to kill a deer humanly?
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top