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so I have reason to believe that I'm being scoped out by my local police. in about 3 months, I've had 4 random visits from the police, all 4 were: "oops! I guess we got the wrong address! sorry, have a nice day.":confused:

2 times they said they were responding to a home security alarm at my address, and both times I informed them that my house is not equipped with such an alarm. the other two times, it was those plain-clothes type detective-looking cops with badges on their belts. they were issuing subpoenas for people that I've never heard of.

every time this happens, the cops that show up are always super nice and friendly, and relatively professional. their behavior and demeanor isn't what makes me nervous. one or two times, sure, I can buy that as a coincidence, but this morning was the 4th time in just a few months, and I'm beginning to wonder if there's something going on.

so basically, my question for this post is if anyone knows anything about confiscation of LEGALLY owned firearms. if they obtained a search warrant, and searched my house, would they be able to confiscate my guns for "evidence" or some BS like that? I've read stories here and there around the internet about that type of stuff happening. "temporary confiscation" of firearms for "evidence". unfortunately, the investigation will be ongoing for the next 40 years.. lol but like I said I've just read stories, I have no hard proof of these accounts.

anyway, sorry for rambling, I'm just a little nervous right now. I hope it's nothing and I'm just being paranoid.

any and all info would be appreciated, especially from any LEO's on the forum.
thanks.
 
You don't say where you are, but you are no obligation to answer your door.

Contact a criminal defense attorney and have him contact the PD as your advocate to find out *** is going on.

mbogo
 
I would imagine that IF they had enough probable cause to get a search warrant in the first place AND that probable cause could have anything that might involve firearms, then yes, they could confiscate your firearms for "evidence".
 
Are all of the LEOs from the same department? Personally,if it were me,I would visit the police chief and ask what was going on. Obviously 4 times is more than coincidence.
 
@ deadin

I don't know how to define probable cause anymore. the line is getting blurrier and blurrier.
the only thing I can think of is the fact that I go shooting pretty often. I wonder if one of the neighbors got nervous after seeing me hauling rifle cases to and from my truck on days that I go to the range.
 
fallout mike: not long, only since January.

jimmyray: yes, they're all the same department.

I'm in the New Orleans area. I used to live in the city, and the crazy police in the city were one of the big reasons why I moved to the suburbs. ironically, I've had more strange run-ins with the more mild-mannered Jefferson Parish police than I ever had with the Gestapo-style NOPD. (obviously, the Gestapo reference is a gross overstatement, but you get my point...)
 
Who lived in the home before you did? Do you have family members or roommates who may be involved in something sketchy? Does your front yard look out of character for the community? Do you have neighbors that you have disagreed with? Do you have bumper stickers or signs on your vehicles that would suggest you smoke dope, hate certain types of people or otherwise are anti-social? Are the police coming to the door to look inside, or to smell the interior for an odor of an illegal substance?

You see where this is going? Either call the Sheriff, or a lawyer, make a FOIA request or just lay low if there is something in your background or the background of an acquaintance or associate that merits official attention.

Good luck.
 
I don't know about laws concerning gun confiscation, but I'd start creating a record of these visits. Times, dates, names/descriptions of the officers, and what they asked you about. Then I'd go to a lawyer and have a letter written demanding an explanation for the visits. Four visits in that span of time is not normal, and I'd think that you might have a decent case for harassment if it keeps up.
 
I don't know how to define probable cause anymore. the line is getting blurrier and blurrier.
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Unfortunately you don't get to define probable cause. A judge does that.
Anything at all in your background that might be cause for all the attention?
 
deadin: nope. the worst (and most recent) thing on my record is a DWI, and that was several years ago, I also already had that on my record before I ever purchased my first firearm.

RobNDenver: the only thing in your list of possibilities is bumper stickers, but nothing drug related. I haven't smoked pot since highschool, lol. the stickers that I would see the police cocking an eyebrow at are the U.S. Navy Jack, and a AR15 "come and take it" sticker. I also used to fly a Gadsden flag in my back yard right next to Old Glory, but took it down a couple months ago because I was afraid it would make me a target. now it's just the American Flag by itself.

I hope my exercising my 1A rights isn't the cause of this stuff. I've never displayed anything offensive in any way, unless people consider the Gadsden offensive.
other than that, I have a pretty good relationship with my immediate neighbors, and I've never even spoken to anyone past them.

I don't know if I'm quite ready to go to a lawyer, but I'll certainly contact my local PD and ask them about it at the very least.
 
Probable cause really doesn't change much. P0olice stretching the rules can make it seem like it does.

Unfortunately for you, you live in a place with a ghastly track record for illegal search and seizure of guns from non-criminals, both during times of peace AND during crises, seriously, going back DECADES. History shows that the law doesn't have a lot to do with whose guns get seized in NOLA.
 
Unfortunately for you, you live in a place with a ghastly track record for illegal search and seizure of guns from non-criminals, both during times of peace AND during crises, seriously, going back DECADES. History shows that the law doesn't have a lot to do with whose guns get seized in NOLA.
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exactly why I'm nervous.

everyone around here is TERRIFIED of the police because they NEVER follow their own rules, and thanks to the "good ol' boy" system that's firmly entrenched in the local government/law enforcement around here, it's rare for dirty cops to be prosecuted for their crimes. of course, the city will tout the prosecution of the Danziger Bridge cops during Katrina, but those are just a handful amidst a sea of corruption.

I'm not worried about door-to-door Katrina style gun confiscation. what worries me is the covert/under-the-radar type stuff that happens on a regular basis around here and never gets any media attention.

I hope no one misunderstands me here. I'm not anti-cop in any way shape or form. in fact I admire the hell out of good cops because they perform a duty and a service that most are not cut out for.

it's just a little scary how often you hear the media demonizing those "evil black rifles", and one or two of those can certainly be found in my gun locker. LEOs can be just as much of sheep as the average anti-gun advocate, and that's all it would take is an "evil" rifle to make them think I'm some kind of threat. when if they just looked a little deeper they'd see that I'm nothing more than a family man, working a 9-5 to feed my kid.

sorry for rambling and taking the thread off-topic, it's just a little different when you feel like YOU are now a target, not just some nameless/faceless guy in a news article.
 
As for the two alarms: Wires get crossed, communication gets mixed up. I'd guess they were just honest mistakes.

As for the two subpoena servers: I'd guess they were legit. They tried service with an address someone had given them. I'd guess after the second time you told them the addressee listed doesn't live there. The courts will quit trying service.

I don't see how either has anything to do with your guns....No offense, I think you are being over paranoid.
 
No offense, I think you are being over paranoid.
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I think he has a legitimate reason to be concerned. I certainly would be after 4 "mistakes" over a period of a few months by the same organization.
 
It's interesting, but I think it's a coincidence.

Look, two times for an alarm? The alarm company has the wrong address for a house and called the police twice for an alarm going off.

Officers trying to serve subpoenas twice to an address isn't very odd. Even less so seeing that you haven't lived there very long, the subpoena is probably for the people who used to live there.

Anyhow from a LEO perspective, that sure would be a lot of pussyfooting around and being really really obvious about it IF they suspect you of something. This is NOT the way law enforcement works.

This approach sure would give you lots of warning and lots of time to get rid of anything illegal wouldn't it? Hummmm. :)

If they thought you were up to something they would show up and directly ask you to see how you reacted...OR they would get a warrant and NOT ask you to search your house.

Don't worry about it, stranger things have happened.
 
While you should consult with an attorney who is very well placed in your community you should also invite the local senior elected/appointed official over along with the senior LE official (sorry, but I don't want to assume that would be the parish president and police chief) to sit down and ask about these visits.

Perhaps the previous resident of the house was of interest to the police. Perhaps they're under the impression that there's something in your background that interests them. If you don't show them that you're interesting in finding out if there is anything behind these visits then you may never now or put an end to them.
 
Do you have a friend or family member you can trust to hold some of your firearms for how ever long is deemed necessary? Also, keep a record of these visits,phone calls. And obey the traffic laws near your house [and elsewhere]. An leo likes to sit in a parking lot near my house and shoot radar. That would be kind of an embarresment if you [or I ]got a ticket right infront of your house. Good luck,be vigilant.
 
Find a LOCAL criminal attorney and talk to him. The talk just may be free.
If you want him to find out what's going on that will cost.

I say Local because those lawyers are hooked into the LEO's like you wouldn't believe

AFS
 
It's interesting, but I think it's a coincidence.

Look, two times for an alarm? The alarm company has the wrong address for a house and called the police twice for an alarm going off.

Officers trying to serve subpoenas twice to an address isn't very odd. Even less so seeing that you haven't lived there very long, the subpoena is probably for the people who used to live there.

Anyhow from a LEO perspective, that sure would be a lot of pussyfooting around and being really really obvious about it IF they suspect you of something. This is NOT the way law enforcement works.

This approach sure would give you lots of warning and lots of time to get rid of anything illegal wouldn't it? Hummmm.

If they thought you were up to something they would show up and directly ask you to see how you reacted...OR they would get a warrant and NOT ask you to search your house.

Don't worry about it, stranger things have happened.
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this actually makes me feel a little bit better. I'm still going to follow up on this on monday, and ask about it, but I see your point. if they were interested in me, they sure are making it obvious, lol. it's just that out of all 4 times, the previous 3 seemed a little more legit, then this last one yesterday morning was just sooo strange. I woke up and they weren't even knocking on my door or anything, just leaning against one of the squad cars and BSing. then when I walked up to them that's when they told me they were responding to an alarm. even stranger still, my house sits on a corner, one street is a normal neighborhood street that runs straight for several blocks, and the other is a dead end right at the end of my backyard. in other words, the street on the side of the house only runs the length of my yard, then dead ends at a fence. so one squad car is parked in the middle of the dead end street, and the other one is parked right behind the first one, but perpendicular to the road, like he was trying to block the road off. after talking to them for a minute or two, I asked if they could move because I had to leave and go to the store, and they said sure, and just left. i don't know man, weird. my neighbors were a little freaked out by it too.
 
ColtPythonElite said:
As for the two alarms: Wires get crossed, communication gets mixed up. I'd guess they were just honest mistakes.

As for the two subpoena servers: I'd guess they were legit. They tried service with an address someone had given them. I'd guess after the second time you told them the addressee listed doesn't live there. The courts will quit trying service.

I don't see how either has anything to do with your guns....No offense, I think you are being over paranoid.
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"Once is chance ...

twice is happenstance,

three times is enemy action" (Goldfinger to James Bond)

But FOUR times ... in 5 months??

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you. I think it's time to talk to somebody at the police station who has an office with a door and find out what is going on. What happens when next they have a search warrant for your home, and it's the wrong address, and you aren't home. Do you think THEY are going to pay for all the damage they =will= do to your home?
 
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