publius
Member
The abc news clip is pretty chilling to see. I had only read about it.
The dude with the bigger guns was funny.
The dude with the bigger guns was funny.
**NOLA Gun Confiscation Video Clips**
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PATH
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It sure ain't funny to me.
Old Fud
Member
Fizzle?
I only found TWO videos on the GOA website.
Only one of them actually showed a take-down and confiscation, and that's the one LawDog Started with a week ago. The other showed people sitting on a curb and talked about it but didn't show it.
Look at that tape of the liddle old lady again.
1) She waved her pistole around A LOT in the early scenes and the cops did not get excited about that. She wasn't posing a threat to them, and they clearly were not reacting to a perceived threat.
2) There was a cut in even the longest version of the tape I could find. There was TIME between talk-talk and action.
We don't know what precipitated the action.
We may believe it was the order to disarm and dislodge -- but we don't KNOW that, not from the video.
I think we've got a fizzle on our hands here -- Certainly in terms of documented evidence of improper acts.
Fud
I only found TWO videos on the GOA website.
Only one of them actually showed a take-down and confiscation, and that's the one LawDog Started with a week ago. The other showed people sitting on a curb and talked about it but didn't show it.
Look at that tape of the liddle old lady again.
1) She waved her pistole around A LOT in the early scenes and the cops did not get excited about that. She wasn't posing a threat to them, and they clearly were not reacting to a perceived threat.
2) There was a cut in even the longest version of the tape I could find. There was TIME between talk-talk and action.
We don't know what precipitated the action.
We may believe it was the order to disarm and dislodge -- but we don't KNOW that, not from the video.
I think we've got a fizzle on our hands here -- Certainly in terms of documented evidence of improper acts.
Fud
publius
Member
So the video of the police chief announcing his intention to disarm everyone was....undocumented or proper?
Old Fud
Member
Lawdog asked for documented evidence of ACTS.
He didn't ask for proof that a politician pronounced an intention.
He wanted to see that it had been done.
A week later, we have 1 video (that he started with).
I call that a fizzle.
Fud
He didn't ask for proof that a politician pronounced an intention.
He wanted to see that it had been done.
A week later, we have 1 video (that he started with).
I call that a fizzle.
Fud
publius
Member
OK, but what leaders actually do, mostly, is talk. I find it far more important that the policy came from the top. If some Nawlins officers flew off the handle and started seizing guns, that's bad. If the Nawlins Chief of Police announces that seizing all guns is official policy, and sends his forces out to enforce that policy, that's also an action, and it's WORSE.
publius
Member
There was time between the time she told her public servants that she was fine, and she said "Leave my house," and the time that they tackled, disarmed, and took her away.
We don't know what did happen, but we know one thing that did not. The public servants did NOT leave, as they should have done.
ctdonath
Member
Just because we don't have it on tape doesn't mean it didn't happen.
idakfan
Member
I for one will be writing a letter to all Law Enforcement agencies making sure to suggest shoulder-camera mounts with live public internet video feeds for all officers going door to door doing gun confiscations.
ctdonath
Member
What we DO have is the chief of police, on tape, issuing the order.
Did you really expect the police to consent to COPS-style recording & publication of confiscations???
Our TV culture expects the whole drama to play out in 30, 60, or 120 minutes - or a couple hours nightly for a week for a really exceptional miniseries. This perversion of culture also expects full access and insight to secret meetings and full-length un-cut action sequences. ... and if it isn't all laid bare by the end of the story, it didn't happen.
Newsflash: the revolution won't be televised. Neither will the oppression.
We do have THE ORDER on record, and as-can-be-revealed insights from reliable THR members like LawDog, plus enough snippets to indicate the confiscation actually started and was shut down via some stern need-to-know ears-only discussions at high levels.
Did you really expect the police to consent to COPS-style recording & publication of confiscations???
Our TV culture expects the whole drama to play out in 30, 60, or 120 minutes - or a couple hours nightly for a week for a really exceptional miniseries. This perversion of culture also expects full access and insight to secret meetings and full-length un-cut action sequences. ... and if it isn't all laid bare by the end of the story, it didn't happen.
Newsflash: the revolution won't be televised. Neither will the oppression.
We do have THE ORDER on record, and as-can-be-revealed insights from reliable THR members like LawDog, plus enough snippets to indicate the confiscation actually started and was shut down via some stern need-to-know ears-only discussions at high levels.
SkySlash
Member
I called into the Greg Knapp show, on 570 KLIF in DFW on Friday and mentioned this issue. He said he wasn't aware of it, and asked for more detail. I plugged the video links site at gunowners.org on air and he said he would check it out and let me talk about the issue for 2-3 minutes.
Hopefully a lot of people were listening that day that may not have been aware of the issue, and I hope they check out those links and become aware.
-SS
Hopefully a lot of people were listening that day that may not have been aware of the issue, and I hope they check out those links and become aware.
-SS
Carl N. Brown
Member
Confiscation in N.O.LA
A lot of us have seen or at least heard about the Channel 2
video reported by Ken Wayne who accompanied the California
Highway Patrol (CHiP) to New Orleans. To recap:
The ChiPs ran into a Patricia Konie, an elderly woman
whose house on Magazine Street was dry and intact. She
saw no need to evacuate. She had survived hurricanes before
for several days without running water or electricity.
Patricia Konie: "You're gonna have to shoot me because
I'm not going. I don't want you in here, period.
"I'm ok. I've got food, water, supplies, I'm not
afraid of looters, I've got a gun".
CHiP: "Can I see your gun?"
Konie: "Sure."
She held the gun around the cylinder, butt down, barrel up.
Three CHiPs the size of football lineman bodyslammed Konie
into the wall, yelling "She's got a gun!" They took her gun
and dragged her out of her house. She was taken by military
transport to be processed at the Convention Center: yes
indeed, much safer than her own home, especially a home with
a gun in it.
Reporter Ken Wayne justified this treatment to his
newsanchors back in California by saying that "it's an
indication of what highway patrol officers and police from
all over the nation are finding as they assist [local police]
in trying to evacuate this city. Dennis, Julie."
Dennis: "Ken, they are obviously going to use physical
force to remove someone who does not want to go. The obvious
question now is, would they use deadly force?"
Ken: "Well, I don't think so, Dennis. I mean, here you
had a woman with a gun, she's eldery, she doesn't appear to
be a threat, but a gun is a gun. And the officers certainly
had the option, you would think, in using deadly force. They
are not kicking down doors. They are not dragging people
from their homes, but in this case the woman had a gun, so
that's a bit of a different scenario. In the cases, the
other cases we saw, there were dozens of other people who
were removed. Most came out willingly, a few grumbled
about it...." otherwise they were good little sheeple and
not like the big, bad wolfwoman.
California troopers could not understand the mindset of
New Orleaners who are used riding out hurricanes then
doing without electricity or tap water for days, especially
people who traditionally keep guns at home for protection
and stockpile food, water and medicine for emergencies.
NOPD, LaNG and 82nd Airborne all indicated they would
not forcibly disarm or evict people in their own homes.
That is why outside blue state police were brought in:
they would have no respect for citizen sovereignty.
------------------------------------------------------
New York Times
September 8, 2005
New Orleans Begins Confiscating Firearms as Water Recedes
By ALEX BERENSON and TIMOTHY WILLIAMS
NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 8 - Waters were receding across this
flood-beaten city today as police officers began confiscating
weapons, including legally registered firearms, from civilians in
preparation for a mass forced evacuation of the residents still
living here.
No civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols,
shotguns, or other firearms, said P. Edwin Compass, the
superintendent of police. "Only law enforcement are allowed to
have weapons," he said.
But that order apparently does not apply to the hundreds of
security guards whom businesses and some wealthy individuals have
hired to protect their property. The guards, who are civilians
working for private security firms like Blackwater, are openly
carrying M-16's and other assault rifles. Mr. Compass said he was
aware of the private guards, but that the police had no plans to
make them give up their weapons.
....
----------------------------------------------------------
Washington Post
Friday, September 9, 2005; Page A01
By Timothy Dwyer and Ann Scott Tyson
NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 8 -- Outside Kajun's Pub, between the
relatively dry French Quarter and the heavily flooded Ninth
Ward, bar owner JoAnn Guidos loaded up her 1991 Ford
Econoline van with clothing, liquor and other necessities
Thursday morning. After holding out for 10 days, Guidos and
her friends were finally leaving New Orleans and heading to
high ground.
The beer was still cold, thanks to a working generator, and
hopes for customers were strong as the flood-ravaged city
fills with thirsty soldiers and emergency workers.
But on Wednesday night, Guidos said, armed federal agents
identifying themselves as U.S. marshals confiscated her weapons
and ordered her and six friends to leave by noon Thursday.
"When you get 15 M-16s pointed at you and they line you up
against the wall, it's kind of scary," said Guidos, 55.
....
---------------------------------------------------------------
Times-Picaynue, New Orleans,
Saturday, September 10, 2005, bottom of page A-9
"Pencil behind ear, and .38 on hip" By Chris Rose, Columnist
....
The California National Guard came by and wanted an accounting
of every weapon in the building and they wrote the serial numbers
down....
They took all our information and bid us a good day and then
sauntered off to retrieve a dead guy on a front porch down the
street.
Then the California Highway Patrol - the CHiPs! - came and
demanded we turn over our weapons.
What are you going to do? We were certainly outnumbered, so we
turned over the guns. Then, an hour later, they brought them
back. With no explanation.
....
--------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, I know, four anecdotes do not data make, but four
independent sources not quoting each other meets my standard
for anecdotal evidence.
Some people will realize there are other people with a
religious-like fervor to ban and confiscate guns only when
Rebecca Peters and George Soros show up on their doorstep.
The CHiPs and their embedded reporter saw a woman having
a gun for protection against home invaders as a threat to
the Highway Patrol of the Peoples' Republic of California!!!.
Reporter Ken Wayne: "And the officers certainly had the option,
you would think, in using deadly force.... the woman had a gun,
so that's a bit of a different scenario."
Patricia Konie and her nickleplated .32 top-break are not a
threat to ANY of US. The attitude of the CHiPs and their media
apologists is a threat to ALL of US.
And please note Chris Rose's story: first they just wanted
the serial numbers, then they came for the guns. Cue the music:
(Well, I was going to upload "The Twilight Zone" theme but THR
doesn't recognize .WAV files: Deedle dee dee Deedle dee dee...)
A lot of us have seen or at least heard about the Channel 2
video reported by Ken Wayne who accompanied the California
Highway Patrol (CHiP) to New Orleans. To recap:
The ChiPs ran into a Patricia Konie, an elderly woman
whose house on Magazine Street was dry and intact. She
saw no need to evacuate. She had survived hurricanes before
for several days without running water or electricity.
Patricia Konie: "You're gonna have to shoot me because
I'm not going. I don't want you in here, period.
"I'm ok. I've got food, water, supplies, I'm not
afraid of looters, I've got a gun".
CHiP: "Can I see your gun?"
Konie: "Sure."
She held the gun around the cylinder, butt down, barrel up.
Three CHiPs the size of football lineman bodyslammed Konie
into the wall, yelling "She's got a gun!" They took her gun
and dragged her out of her house. She was taken by military
transport to be processed at the Convention Center: yes
indeed, much safer than her own home, especially a home with
a gun in it.
Reporter Ken Wayne justified this treatment to his
newsanchors back in California by saying that "it's an
indication of what highway patrol officers and police from
all over the nation are finding as they assist [local police]
in trying to evacuate this city. Dennis, Julie."
Dennis: "Ken, they are obviously going to use physical
force to remove someone who does not want to go. The obvious
question now is, would they use deadly force?"
Ken: "Well, I don't think so, Dennis. I mean, here you
had a woman with a gun, she's eldery, she doesn't appear to
be a threat, but a gun is a gun. And the officers certainly
had the option, you would think, in using deadly force. They
are not kicking down doors. They are not dragging people
from their homes, but in this case the woman had a gun, so
that's a bit of a different scenario. In the cases, the
other cases we saw, there were dozens of other people who
were removed. Most came out willingly, a few grumbled
about it...." otherwise they were good little sheeple and
not like the big, bad wolfwoman.
California troopers could not understand the mindset of
New Orleaners who are used riding out hurricanes then
doing without electricity or tap water for days, especially
people who traditionally keep guns at home for protection
and stockpile food, water and medicine for emergencies.
NOPD, LaNG and 82nd Airborne all indicated they would
not forcibly disarm or evict people in their own homes.
That is why outside blue state police were brought in:
they would have no respect for citizen sovereignty.
------------------------------------------------------
New York Times
September 8, 2005
New Orleans Begins Confiscating Firearms as Water Recedes
By ALEX BERENSON and TIMOTHY WILLIAMS
NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 8 - Waters were receding across this
flood-beaten city today as police officers began confiscating
weapons, including legally registered firearms, from civilians in
preparation for a mass forced evacuation of the residents still
living here.
No civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols,
shotguns, or other firearms, said P. Edwin Compass, the
superintendent of police. "Only law enforcement are allowed to
have weapons," he said.
But that order apparently does not apply to the hundreds of
security guards whom businesses and some wealthy individuals have
hired to protect their property. The guards, who are civilians
working for private security firms like Blackwater, are openly
carrying M-16's and other assault rifles. Mr. Compass said he was
aware of the private guards, but that the police had no plans to
make them give up their weapons.
....
----------------------------------------------------------
Washington Post
Friday, September 9, 2005; Page A01
By Timothy Dwyer and Ann Scott Tyson
NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 8 -- Outside Kajun's Pub, between the
relatively dry French Quarter and the heavily flooded Ninth
Ward, bar owner JoAnn Guidos loaded up her 1991 Ford
Econoline van with clothing, liquor and other necessities
Thursday morning. After holding out for 10 days, Guidos and
her friends were finally leaving New Orleans and heading to
high ground.
The beer was still cold, thanks to a working generator, and
hopes for customers were strong as the flood-ravaged city
fills with thirsty soldiers and emergency workers.
But on Wednesday night, Guidos said, armed federal agents
identifying themselves as U.S. marshals confiscated her weapons
and ordered her and six friends to leave by noon Thursday.
"When you get 15 M-16s pointed at you and they line you up
against the wall, it's kind of scary," said Guidos, 55.
....
---------------------------------------------------------------
Times-Picaynue, New Orleans,
Saturday, September 10, 2005, bottom of page A-9
"Pencil behind ear, and .38 on hip" By Chris Rose, Columnist
....
The California National Guard came by and wanted an accounting
of every weapon in the building and they wrote the serial numbers
down....
They took all our information and bid us a good day and then
sauntered off to retrieve a dead guy on a front porch down the
street.
Then the California Highway Patrol - the CHiPs! - came and
demanded we turn over our weapons.
What are you going to do? We were certainly outnumbered, so we
turned over the guns. Then, an hour later, they brought them
back. With no explanation.
....
--------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, I know, four anecdotes do not data make, but four
independent sources not quoting each other meets my standard
for anecdotal evidence.
Some people will realize there are other people with a
religious-like fervor to ban and confiscate guns only when
Rebecca Peters and George Soros show up on their doorstep.
The CHiPs and their embedded reporter saw a woman having
a gun for protection against home invaders as a threat to
the Highway Patrol of the Peoples' Republic of California!!!.
Reporter Ken Wayne: "And the officers certainly had the option,
you would think, in using deadly force.... the woman had a gun,
so that's a bit of a different scenario."
Patricia Konie and her nickleplated .32 top-break are not a
threat to ANY of US. The attitude of the CHiPs and their media
apologists is a threat to ALL of US.
And please note Chris Rose's story: first they just wanted
the serial numbers, then they came for the guns. Cue the music:
(Well, I was going to upload "The Twilight Zone" theme but THR
doesn't recognize .WAV files: Deedle dee dee Deedle dee dee...)
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