layman's review of the Smith&Wesson M&P9 fullsize & the gunstore & range experience

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I am not a pistol expert, my experience with them is fairly limited, but here are my observations.

I was set on getting 9mm firearm, primarily for concealed carry.

I went to the local gun store and checked out what they have. I didn't give Glocks a shot at all; their reliability may be flawless but I all the hoopla I've read of their ergonomics being surpassed by newer models killed off my interest.

I have alot of prior experience with the sig p226 with the DAK trigger system. I loved that gun, but the price tags on their sigs were all $900-$1100, and with much-cheaper options before me I figured I could serve myself better.

I had a pre-existing strong interest in the Springfield XD and S&W M&P guns, based wholly on internet research. Striker-fired's consistency in trigger pull was very alluring to me.

I held the CZ-PO1 and felt some lust, but DA/SA? not my thing.

I picked up the XD.... wow I did not like that grip safety. I held the M&P subcompact, did not like the unsupported pinky.

M&P Fullsize, concealment would be the primary issue. But I sure liked the feel of the gun in my hand, and I dryfired it... a very short trigger pull! Sweet. All their m&p's had trigger safeties, I was and still remain very mixed on whether I want a trigger safety or not.

Based off online m&p reviews, the m&p's stock trigger could be improved. I guess I just do not have enough gun experience under my belt to know better; to me that trigger felt just fine, it was short and crisp to me. Not as crisp and slick as my dad's S&W 5906, but close enough and just as short. The pull length is nothing compared to the looooooooong pull of the sig p226 in DAK.

I bought the m&p fullsize for $629. I knew the tag would be considered quite high, but what the heck, its new and fun! Prior knowledge of other local gunshops told me I wasnt going to get a better deal (El Paso, TX, fyi). I didn't want to wait days/weeks for an internet purchase.

Regardless, I would have had no qualms about sending my gun in for the much-lauded m&p trigger jobs if I thought the gun needed it. I don't though; I am not a gun range junkie.

I asked the gunstore lady-- who seemed very knowledgeable and straightforward regarding pistols, and who took the time to thoroughly teach me how to strip the weapon-- if I needed to clean the gun prior to firing it at the range. She said I didn't, it was ready to fire out of the box... btw, the box the m&p comes in is laptop-pc-case size. Enormous.

My dad and I bought 200 FMJs, and about 40 rounds of Federal Hydrashock JHP before departing.

The m&p demonstrated substantially more kick than a S&W 5906. The trigger, as I've said before, is somewhat inferior (but still good, in my newbish opinion) to the 5906 as well. But on the m&p, the sights are much bigger, the magazine capacity is greater (17 vs 15), and the thing just feels great in the hand!

We had two fail-to-fires, one occured with FMJ and the other occurred with the JHP. I should have stopped to investigate why the failure occurred, but I absent-mindedly racked the unfired rounds out of the slide without further investigation.

The failures certainly disappointed me, but I figured I should go home and oil the gun up. I did, and have put another 150 round of FMJ and 34 rounds of Federal JHP through the gun since then, without any misfires.

Barring any future failures, I remain satisfied with my purchase and am going to fill out the form to get my 2 free magazines. I will be putting alot more rounds downrange to ensure that my initial failures were due only to oil.
 
My Burwellized Plastic M&P is my mainstay at IDPA SSP, but there is an easier way for a few bucks more. The Apex sear and firing pin block are a straightforward parts exchange - video available - that will do most of the work a gunsmith can. Or they will install them and polish up all the works at usual gunsmith rates.
http://www.apextactical.com/index.php

Or just shoot it for a while and rub the parts in, as said above.
 
good guns, but you did yourself a disservice in just writing off the xd's like that. the grip safety is a non issue. when you grab the gun, it's naturally depressed. it's not something you ever need to think about.

you also did yourself a disservice by writing off glocks based upon what OTHERS said. you didn't try one out for yourself, i notice.
 
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I have a MP9 - (full size). It’s not my go to pistol at this point. I have more experience with the Glock series pistols G17 & G19.

MP9:

1.) I’m not a proponent of immediately making modifications. After a year or so of range usage I’ve replaced the OEM sights with a Novak front night sight and a 10-8 plain rear sight.

2.) The other modification was magazine related replacing the OEM base plates with 10-8 base plates.

3.) Under not really a modification I’ve used the pistol with each of the three back straps and decided the medium size on was best for me in rapid and slow fire.
By the way my hand size is X-Large.

If were I and it isn’t me I’d use the pistol over a period of time before making modifications.

Other 9-mm luger pistols that have past thru my hands have been the BHP, S&W-M39, and S&W-M659.

:)
 
Don't bother with the full-on trigger job. If you pick up the Apex sear, you'll notice an immediate improvement and save a bit of coin/effort. If this is a defensive gun, I'd say not to do much beyond a drop-in part.
 
you also did yourself a disservice by writing off glocks based upon what OTHERS said. you didn't try one out for yourself, i notice.

I am a fan of M&P and Glock and own both (M&P 40 full size and G22).

My sister wanted a HD (Home Defense) pistol and I recommended the M&P 40 for ergonomic reasons - smaller grip insert, better grip angle, better feeling grip, easier to reach/actuate slide/magazine releases and ambi slide releases (just in case).

Mind you, having competed with G22, I would recommend the Glock to someone looking to compete seriously for time (I still get faster times with Glock 22 on all the stages).

But the M&P is a very well made and "designed" pistol that I like to shoot. For me, Glocks are workhorses that just keeps on ticking, ticking, ticking without fail.

piranha45, enjoy your M&P - you made a good choice.

Had you bought the G17, that would have been a good choice too.
 
piranha45

The M&P pistols feel really good in the hand, and have a better angle than the 2 Glocks I've owned ,a 26 and a 22. That being said ,the only difference I've seen in shooting is that you must more often check the firing pin channel in the M&P. This is not a deal breaker at all, but the M&P 9 full-sized pistol I had would get dirtier faster than the 2 Glocks. Sometimes I would get light primer strikes. Just be sure to check this. Takes down same as Glock does.
 
Piranha, welcome to the family! Now you must prepare to defend your purchase to all those who clamor about the superior fit, functionality, ergonomics and pedigree.

All kidding aside, I love my M&P 40 and the 9c I bought for my wife. One has the Apex parts, the other the "Burwell" fix. (Dan Burwell did not write those instructions but was kind enough to post them for us amatures).

If you've never experienced a pistol with a trigger job you OWE IT TO YOURSELF! At the very least, go back to the shop you bought your M&P at and dryfire a nice 1911. Then compare it to an M&P in the case. Pick a target for both and note afterwards where your sights end up with each.

Pistols aimed at the LE market these days have ridiculous pull weights designed to keep policemen from getting sued. In reality, they serve only to hinder their accuracy and endanger bystanders. Rest assured if you shoot someone, even if he's in your house at 3 am after shooting down your door with a submachine gun, you will be getting sued.

Some lawyer will argue that the "poor victim" stood no chance with someone like you who bought a gun intending to shoot someone blah blah. Better that you're alive to defend your actions to a jury than to miss 15 times and have a nice funeral.
 
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