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Two questions:
1. Ok, I have been thinking about casting my own bullets for some time and today something happened that pretty much makes up my mind. I was given several 5 gallon buckets of tire weights. I was told by the owner of the shop he is paying people to haul this stuff away, so I said I would help him out and take it off his hands without charging him. So with that said, how much actual casting lead can I expect from a full 5 gallon bucket? I know there are a lot of variables, but just looking for a ball park figure. I am picking this stuff up tomorrow and there are 7 buckets topped off and I was told I can have all I want (he gets one bucket full every 2 weeks).

2. What is a good manual for the beginner to help me get started?

If there is anything else I should look out for please let me know. Thanks...:)
 
How much?
A lot!

I can't tell you offhand how much 5 gallons of weights weight, but I doubt I could lift it.

A pound = 7000 grains, so you would divide 7000 by the bullet weight to get the number you can get per pound.

There is much to know about what is a good wheel weight and what isn't.

They are going to zinc on mag wheels and some places are going lead-free.

If they are plain old-fashioned clip-on wheel-weights they are very likely usable.
But even one zinc weight will run a whole batch of smelted alloy.

The Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook is the "bible" of bullet casting.
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=796528

Lyman #49 load manual has more cast bullet load data then anything else.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=217655

rc
 
Seven buckets.. That's a real find. Get all of it you can.

You can get about 50-65 lbs of good lead from a full bucket of weights, depending on how much iron and zinc you have to chuck out. You want to make sure you get rid of the zinc!
You can't melt the iron ones, but zinc is close enough to lead in melting temp that if you run a hot melting pot when melting these into ingots, zinc could melt too. It will ruin bullet casting alloy.

Get the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook.
 
You just found the gold mine. A full five gallon bucket will weigh around 140 to 150 pounds. After you pick out the trash and smelt into ingots you will lose around 15% because of the clips and trash.
Rusty

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Yes Dean is right be careful with the zinc, very little will screw up a big pot. What I do is throw everything in the pot and keep the temp at 700 degrees or a little less. That's not hot enough to melt the zinc. Then I just scoop them out with the clips. Get a good thermometer.
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OK, at 7,000gns/pound

I pour 200gn swc for 45acp.

That's 35 bullets per pound.

That's 2,275 bullets per bucket. (~65 pounds of useable lead per bucket) I know there will be some zinc, metal tabs, and crud in there, but 65 pounds/bucket is quite conservative.

You've got 7 buckets?

Round that off to some 16,000 bullets. If you're pouring 9mm 115gn RN, That's more than 30,000 BOOLITS.

-Steve
 
If you keep the lead pot at 650 deg's F the junk zinc will float to the top and you can pick them out. (NOT WITH YOUR FINGERS!:eek:)
I think the zinc will melt at 710 deg's F.
 
I've got to get a conversion barrel for my Glocks and USP so I ca shoot lead. That's an unreal amount of bullets.

-Jenrick
 
I average 100+ lbs per bucket and have very little steel or zinc so far. I need to go hunting some ww's soon, I'm almost out. :banghead:
 
Lots of good posts while I wrote my essay below.

Several buckets is going to be a fair amount of lead. Seems like I hear guys saying they get between 100 and 200 lbs of ingots from a bucket like that.

The zinc is an issue. I have been lucky since my source of lead (not wheel weights) never has any zinc in it.

You are going to want to process that lead into bullets in two steps. First, you need to refine the wheel weights (hereafter ww) into some kind of convenient ingot form. You can buy ingot molds (Lyman 4-1lb mold is about $15) but to be honest a cupcake pan works just fine. I prefer the mini size, as they fit in my furnace better. Once you have refined the ww into ingots, you will melt the ingots in your casting furnace to cast bullets.

Refining -

You need to do this outside, as it creates lots of nasty fumes and smoke. Ensure you stand with the wind at your back, so the fumes blow away from you.

When I was starting and still testing the water, I used what I had. A coleman white gas camp stove that was left in my garage when I bought my house served as a heat source for refining. The scrap lead went in a cast iron dutch oven over the flame. I inherited a 3lb lead ladle from my great-grandfather that I used to get the molten led out of the dutch oven. And I stole an old beat up mini cupcake pan for an ingot mold.

You will also need a metal spoon to skim off the dross, and some good gloves to protect your hands from heat. And a flux, which is really anything that will burn and has carbon in it. I use sawdust, left over candles, used motor oil, whatever else is laying around.

Put your pot over your heat source, and fire it up. Add some ww to the pot (maybe a handful). I like to melt about 10 lbs worth to get some molten lead at the bottom of the pot as it aid heat conduction and I feel is speeds melting. Once you get to this point, drop 20-30 lbs (or whatever your pot will hold) in and find something else to do for at least 10 minutes. A lid will also help by holding head in the pot.

As time passes, the ww will soften and get 'crumbly', then will be kinda like peanut butter (creamy), then a grainy liquid, and finally, molten, with a bunch of gunk on top.

Keep the temp below 675°! Zinc melts at about 780°. Keeping you heat below 700° will insure that any zinc you missed in sorting floats on the top. Anything that won't melt at 650° I would get rid of.

Add some of your flux. A tablespoon of whatever you are using is plenty. Stir with the spoon for a few minutes. If you want to can ignite the pot to reduce the smoke and add heat.

The flux causes an oxygen-reduction chemical reaction to occur. Lead-oxide, tin-oxide and other trace metal-oxides form at the top of the pot. These are valuable alloys that are currently in the dross. By adding flux, you present the oxygen a more attractive partner, and it releases the metals to join the carbon.

When you are done fluxing, you will have shiny metal with black dross on top, + the metal clips. Skim these off and discard promptly.

Carefully ladle the hot lead into your chosen ingot form. When I get my pot empty enough I can't fill my ladle again, I add more scrap lead and start over. Repeat until the significant other comes and yells at you for piddling around with your lead.

This brief primer is no substitute for careful reading of the material rcmodel suggested.

Two warnings of significance:

Do NOT eat or drink while dealing with lead. Wash hand thoroughly and often. This keeps you safe from lead ingestion and subsequent high lead levels. I also take 1000 mg of Vitamin C each day, as it blocks absorption.

Do NOT allow water to get into the molten lead. The results are explosive if any what gets below the surface, where it flashes to steam. (This includes drips from a nose on cold days.)

Good idea to visit cast boolits as well. Good luck.
 
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100 and 200 lbs of ingots from a bucket

The laundry soap buckets I use to collect ww's must be much less than 5 gal. then, if you guys are getting so much more lead from one than I end up with. I guess I just don't know how much I'm getting.

sqlbullet, good info for the new caster in your write-up.
 
Dean I believe they are smaller. I use a lot of cat little buckets and they are also smaller than a five gallon bucket. It felt like quite a difference to me between picking up a full cat litter bucket and a full five gallon bucket.
but to be honest a cupcake pan works just fine.
Be careful. My wife bought me these and they don't fit in the Lee 10# pot.
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I made the recutangular ones at work from scrap steel, they work great and make around a eight pound bar.

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Rusty
 
I bet you're right about the buckets, Rusty.

Regarding the cup cake pans, I use the kind that makes mini-muffins. They weigh only half a pound each, (I have many hundreds of 'em) and fit easily into a 10# Lee pot.

I was melting a big gob of scrap lead once, and made the mistake of pouring ingots using old bread pans. Well, they stack real nice, and all that, but after I got a bunch of them done I realized my dumb mistake. They wouldn't fit in my casting pot, of course!
 
RustyFN is right. I used a cup-cake pan for the very first lead I melted (about 10 lbs lead pipe). Then got my Lee Production 4 pot. Melted them back down in the dutch oven and poured them into the Lee pot.

And went inside to scavenge a mini-muffin pan.
 
Wow
Thanks so much for the great responses. I am pickig up some of the buckets tomorrow and will have to see just how full they are. they even calld me to make sure I was coming by to get them. The boss said he was just so tired of paying the guy $50 to take these buckets away due to hazmat disposal fee. I guess this will make some good 45 and 41 bullets. Once again thanks for the great amount of info...
 
RC you are a lucky dog. Somebody begging you to haul off his lead. It wasn't long ago that lead was around a dollar a pound on the scrap market. I think he got jacked up on the HazMat business.

I would get around 115 pounds of good clean lead from a bucket of tire weights. I used to buy it from WM for $20 a 5 gallon bucket. I have 1400-1500lbs now.

You could probably sell the stuff if you took out an ad in the local paper. Especially if you cleaned it up and cast it into ingots ready to be used.
 
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