Lee Auto-Disk Question

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I loaded my first batch last night but have a question about the accuracy of the disks in the Lee Pro Auto-Disk Powder Measure. According to the Lee chart with the powder I was using (Unique) I sould have got a charge of 4.2 grains with a .46 cavity. In reality, I had to go up two sizes to get that charge (cavity of .53). Is this common? I zero'd the scale and measured charges numerous times to be sure it wasn't me.

BTW, everything else went without a hitch. Hope to try the rounds out at the range today. It did take me 2 1/2 hours to load fifty rounds mostly due to the charge issue.
 
I'm running into that too. The listed loads throw light. But once you find the right “hole”, it seems to be very consistent in the powders that I use. Except for 800-X. It doesn't like that at all in mine.
 
Me too... no matter what the chart tells me, when I weigh it out, I always wind up going up a hole ( sometimes 2 ).
 
Lee should just tell people that Unique just dont meter well in their Auto disk. HS6, Power pistol meter best in mine, and the chart Lee gives you is spot on with those powders, for me at least.
 
If memory serves me Unique is a flake powder. Not many of the powder dispensers will give you a repeatable weight with flake powders as it will bunch up or bridge when being dispensed. To some reloaders this a good reason to not use flake powders. On the other hand Unique and other flake powders are well liked for their preformance and to some well worth the slight inconvenience. Ball powders probably are the best when it comes to dispensing repeatability.
 
You'll find that the Lee chart only serves as a 'guide' to get you in the ball park. With every powder I've used the recommended disc is off by one, two or even three sizes. Just make sure you cycle the press a few times (my standard is 10 throws) to settle whatever powder, then I'll measure 4 or 5 throws to see where I am. I do make note of what my preferred disc size is for specific loads, but I've noticed that even that is not consistant. i.e. One day my 1.46 disc will consistantly throw 18.7 grains of 2400 a few days later (barometric pressure change? humidity? not sure) it will throw 18.4 grains.
 
mine throws light also. i have found that the finer the powder the closer the lee guide is to being right (ie aa#2 is right on aa#5 is two sizes low)
 
Do you have the "Pro Auto-disk Powder Measure"?
It has the round hooper. I used the "Auto-disk Powder Measure" with the square hopper, for years.
The Newer Pro, is a lot nicer. More accurate.
And I switched powders. Titegroup and Power Pistol. :D
The metering is right on. And I can use the chart again. :D
 
this method is working nicely for me....

Look at the table on the back of your Auto-Disk instructions and find the VMD column.

I forget what VMD stands for (though I recall it being explained in Modern Reloading) but it's simply a conversion factor that takes into account the density (and packing?) of the powder.

desired charge weight in grains X VMD = estimated charge volume in cubic centimeters (cc)

As others have noted, going to the table with your desired charge weight and powder, and then pulling off a volume (or calculating it with the given VMD for your powder) will typically give you a lite charge.

No problem....

Just work the problem backwards and come up with a revised VMD (I'll call it VMD*)

VMD* = volume of disk used to throw the charge (in cc)/weight measured on my scale (in grains)

VMD* now takes into account any and all variables related to your batch of powder, your auto-disk, your scale, your enviroment (hot and humid, cold and dry, etc...), your method (do you tap the disk, etc...). Write the revised VMD* on an addresss label and stick it to your powder bottle.

Next time you work up a new load, use your VMD* to calculate the volume and select your disk combination and you'll throw loads much closer on the first try.
 
I've also noticed that the Pro auto disk throws a lighter load than advertised, but once I have the hole set for the charge I want it is very consistent.
 
LEE POWDER DISKS

LEE DISKS ON THE BASIC MEASURE ARE CAST,ON THE NEXT ARE BORED.
HOWEVER THEY THROW LIGHT FOR A REASON. MOST OF THE TIME ITS TWO SIZES UP.ALSO LOT TO LOT CHANGES THE VOLUME.THEY ARE ACCURATE FROM CHARGE TO CHARGE. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN MAX CHARGES.HARD ON YOU AND HARD ON THE GUN.
WILDCATT
 
Lee does tell us about flake powder measurement and other stuff

Lee should just tell people that Unique just dont meter well in their Auto disk. HS6, Power pistol meter best in mine, and the chart Lee gives you is spot on with those powders, for me at least.
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They do. It's noted on the bottom of the chart that comes with the Auto disk measures:

"NOTE: Coarse flake powder, such Red Dot and Green Dot(my comment: this includes Unique, which is a coarse flake powder) can give light charges in the smaller cavities(.40 or smaller). Tapping the measure with a wood dowel or screwdriver handle will help fill these smaller cavities"

Richard Lee also notes this in the his book "Modern Reloading" It is also found all over the many reloading forums.

Above 4 gr Unique measures beautifully with my Pro Auto Disk measures(I have three of them). Below this number I tap the measure and still have no problem. If I have to go to light charges of flake powder I find a load that will work with a ball powder like Win 231 that will suffice. It flows much better in the smaller cavities.

As to the data in the same chart mentioned above--Again they tell us it's going to be light, in the footnote just below the one on flake powders. There is no mystery in this--for some reason people just don't read the instructons.--:confused:
 
Thanks, benedict1, for reading the fine print:D I dont use unique, myself, but everyone that does, seem to post how bad it meters. As someone above posted, once you get the right disc for the charge you want, it does a great job on consistant throws.
 
The Pro Auto Disk I have seems to throw fairly consistant charges, they are just very light. If this is how it performs on the bad end, it'll be awesome with ball powder. Too bad I have most of the rest of a pound of the stuff. I'll have to make some magnums up next time to get rid of the stuff. :evil:
 
There are two possible causes for most of the variation--

1.) Most of the problems I'm reading about here with smaller charges of flake powders may well result from winter time static issues. Flake powders love to pick up static charge-Unique is about the worst case.

Search this forum and others for ways to minimize static charge or go to ball powders.

2.) One problem many people have is caused by not setting the powder-through expander die deep enough. If you don't do that, the auto disk doesn't move far enough over the drop hole in the measure and some of the charge can hang up on the lip of the drop hole. Users get into this because they don't want to flare the case too much--however, you have to set the die deep enough so the case will push up on the moving part of the die to work the auto disk through a complete cycle.

I am almost certain that this is the cause of a lot of the erratic powder drops. If I am careful to set the die right, even with Unique, I can throw 4 gr every time, without measurable variation. I throw 4.7 gr for 9mm with 124 gr. bullet and with a Lee Safety Scale or a Frankford Arsenal digital scale get no variation whatsoever.

Finally, the adjustable charge bar is not the answer to the problem. At small volumes it will also be erratic--and because of its design--basically a wide slot instead of a small round cavity--it doesn't fill or dispense well. Remember, you're trying to drop powder flakes out of a wide, narrow slot into a round hole in the bottom of the powder measure. The adjustable bar works best at larger volumes too and actually be more of a problem at volumes of .4 cc or less. It, too, will be affected by static buildup.

You can also help things by putting a powder baffle into the hopper--someone above referenced them. RCBS sells them and you can get them from Midway, etc.

The Pro Auto Disk Powder system is about as good as it gets. Just realize its limitations and the characteristics of powders. Flake powders can bridge, clump and charge with static.

Moral of the story--get a good powder scale and work up your charge drops. Forget what the Lee chart says--it is only a rough guide and was never meant to be the final answer. Powder density variation from lot-to-lot in and of itself negates much of what the chart suggests anyhow. And, Lee points that out in all its literature--always as a footnote.
 
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