Legal question about Sat. Night Special

[Futuristic]

Firearms = Title II, Class 3

eliphalet wrote:

to receive or possess a firearm which is not registered to him in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record;or

Is this Florida law?
If not we must live in different countrys, I am still in America last time I looked.
I never heard of it if it isn't, and I can, and have, and will continue, to buy and sell face to face, and I ain't a gonna register nothing to anybody. Unless I buy or sell from a FFL it's legal and no ones business but mine and the other party involved. Bought a three screw Ruger at a show last weekend and gave the guy the money walked out right past the cop at the door and he never said one word. Register? not here. There is no " national register" we're suppose to do nope,nada.

You guys don't get out much, do you?

The NFRTR is the National Registry for NFA weapons, those regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934. Most people know them better as Title II, or Class 3 weapons. That would be Machineguns, Silencers/Suppressors, AOWs, Short Barreled Rifles and Shotguns, and Destructive Devices (did I miss anything?)

The NFRTR is a Registry of ALL NFA weapons in the US, and you don't transfer or possess NFA weapons without them being logged as such in the NFRTR.

The confusion of course is that the Feds used the term Firearm to mean two COMPLETELY separate things, in different places. Firearm in the NFA does NOT mean the same thing as Firearm in the Brady law, etc.

Futuristic

 

[Prince Yamato]

Option 2:

Tell police you heard something thrown on your front porch in the morning. You saw a piece of plastic and picked it up and it was... a gun (!). Tell them you wish to turn it in.

I don't see what the big deal is. Turning in an illegal weapon that is not yours is not a crime. Nor can you be prosecuted for doing what the BATF tells you to do. Cut the conspiracy theories. Tossing it into a river. Blowtorch it? Cripes what barrio were you people raised in? If you find an illegal weapon, you turn it in. What if the gun were to wash ashore and some gang banger were to use it (de-serialized) in a crime? Come on folks, be smart.

 

[atek3]

Prince Yamato, what Jurisdiction do you live in? Where I come from turning in an illegal item was, ipso facto, proof a crime was committed.

atek3

 

[vynx]

Geez just tell your friend to unload - rack slide with no magazine take all bullets out, unload repeat untill you are sure he really unloaded it then wipe it down and drop it in a mailbox or put it in a manila envolope (wipe down, wear gloves and address to police then drop in mailbox.

I wouldn't waltz into a police station saying hey looky what I found?

 

[ilbob]

The OP should just tell his "friend" not to get involved with the gun due to the potential legal issues and be done with it. Once the serial number has been tampered with, the gun can never be legally owned.

 

[never_retreat]

Unload it, put it in an envelope and drop it in the nearest mailbox arrdreed to the popo. Dont wast the money on postage. Oh and wear gloves and don't lick the envelope.

 

[CWhitt]

Man, the spectrum of answers here has been....interesting, to say the least.

In case anyone missed it in my later post, I'll just mention again that we (me nor my roommate) never actually had the gun, just a conversation where it was verbally offered to us.

We've both agreed that not even getting near it or bringing it up again is the best idea.

 

[wdlsguy]

(k) It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to transport, ship, or receive, in interstate or foreign commerce, any firearm which has had the importer’s or manufacturer’s serial number removed, obliterated, or altered or to possess or receive any firearm which has had the importer’s or manufacturer’s serial number removed, obliterated, or altered and has, at any time, been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.

18 USC 922

 

[Snowdiver]

Snowdiver,

Check under the paragraph for 1870.

http://www.blackmanwithagun.com/site...c_id=140000845

Good find! I knew it was reference to price and that a whole class of people were excluded from ownership, now I know it's origin, thanks.

 

[XavierBreath]

Here's a working link. (I hope)

1870 Tennessee First "Saturday Night Special" economic handgun ban passed. In the first legislative session in which they gained control, white supremacists passed "An Act to Preserve the Peace and Prevent Homicide," which banned the sale of all handguns except the expensive "Army and Navy model handgun" which whites already owned or could afford to buy, and blacks could not. ("Gun Control: White Man's Law," William R. Tonso, Reason, December 1985) Upheld in Andrews v. State, 50 Tenn. (3 Heisk.) 165, 172 (1871) (GMU CR LJ, p. 74) "The cheap revolvers of the late 19th and early 20th centuries were referred to as 'Suicide Specials,' the 'Saturday Night Special' label not becoming widespread until reformers and politicians took up the gun control cause during the 1960s. The source of this recent concern about cheap revolvers, as their new label suggest, has much in common with the concerns of the gun-law initiators of the post-Civil War South. As B. Bruce-Briggs has written in the Public Interest, `It is difficult to escape the conclusion that the 'Saturday Night Special' is emphasized because it is cheap and being sold to a particular class of people. The name is sufficient evidence -- the reference is to 'niggertown Saturday night.'" ("Gun Control: White Man's Law," William R. Tonso, Reason, December 1985)

 

[gezzer]

Mayhaps, if you know a police officer personally, leave it in a package clearly marked "handle with care" on his front porch?

He will appreciate his new throwaway.

Why not just stay out of it? To late you posted it on the internet and another has allready contacted BATFE of it. Have the gun turned in.

 

[Fifth Column]

I would say to get your friend to tell no one about the gun. Then disassemble into as many parts possible and chuck in a few separate garbage bins.

 

[MudPuppy]

If its stolen, it needs to be turned in. They could possibly recover the serial numbers and get it back to its rightful owner or they could solve a crime because of this.

While I would not get involved with it if I weren't already, it's not right to just dispose of it. And I'm assuming that'd be just as illegal as anything else--it's not the ethical thing to do.

 

[rocinante]

As far as the supplied evidence all I see is two writers from the 1980s explaining what they think without any evidence backing them up. Truly I have no problem buying the 1870 law cited was racist but I did not see "Saturday Night Special" in the text. Even the writers say it did not arrive in usage until the 1960s and their "It is difficult to escape the conclusion" confesses it is speculation and opinion. Interesting, interesting, interesting but something like it appeared in text on this date in this context is conclusive. Even if origin was proven to be racist the phrase is not racist now but class. If you accept that all poor people are black then yeah I guess so but clue stick not all poor people are black.