Legal to shoot another person's gun in your state?

[Ranb]

If I-594 passes it will require background checks on all gun sales and transfers in WA.
I-594 Text

(25) "Transfer" means the intended delivery of a firearm to another person without consideration of payment or promise of payment including, but not limited to, gifts and loans.

(1) All firearm sales or transfers, in whole or part in this state including without limitation a sale or transfer where either the purchaser or seller or transferee or transferor is in Washington, shall be subject to background checks unless specifically exempted by state or federal law

(4) This section does not apply to:
f) (ii) if the temporary transfer occurs, and the firearm is kept at all times, at an established shooting range authorized by the governing body of the jurisdiction in which such range is located;

If the owner hands over a firearm while hunting, competing or performing, then it is legal. But informal plinking now becomes illegal unless the firearm is actually owned by them or stored at all times at the rifle range.

Does any other state have this kind of strict law? I think even CO and CA aren't this bad. Thanks.

Randy

 

[Praxidike]

I do not know of any state that takes it that far, sorry. It does not seem like the firearm community in your state is doing a good job getting the truth out to the average low information voter about what is really contained in this law. Seems like all are allowing the other side to misrepresent it. I truly believe that if everyone knew the ramifications that this law will have other than universal background checks, then the law would not even have half the support it has now.

 

[bikerdoc]

No sir, It is OK in VA.
I have 2 out on loan to nephew, and son in law. Granted both are CCW holders.
The only thing we must avoid is loaning to a disqulified person,but it is not codified as such and would come under the felon/disqualified in possession statute.

 

[Robert]

They tried to pass something like that here in CO when they passed the latest anti gun laws. Once the wording came out they were forced to change it in order for the bills to pass.

 

[wxl]

Thankfully no in Texas

 

[Midwest]

Nothing like that in KY, my inlaws come over from Ohio and I shoot their guns and they shoot my guns.


However in NY State no one can own, possess or use a handgun without a permit with that specific handgun listed on that permit. The only legal way a husband and wife can share a handgun is if they both have permits and that specific handgun is listed on both permits.

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[Praxidike]

Didin't know that. So I guess NY and WA will be similar if the bill is passed.

 

[JohnM]

No utter nonsense like that here in Wyoming!

 

[bangswitch]

If I-594 passes it will require background checks on all gun sales and transfers in WA.
I-594 Text








If the owner hands over a firearm while hunting, competing or performing, then it is legal. But informal plinking now becomes illegal unless the firearm is actually owned by them or stored at all times at the rifle range.

Does any other state have this kind of strict law? I think even CO and CA aren't this bad. Thanks.

Randy

Further down after your quoted portions, there is a "New Section 3". In that Section 3(4)(c)(i)(ii), and in Sec.3(4)(f)(iii)(iv)(v), it mentions temporary transfer to another person for uses of immediate self-protection, and for target shooting, and a couple of other circumstances where the actual owner is likely to be present, AS LONG AS the person being transferred to is legally allowed to be in possession of a firearm (not a convicted felon, etc). It even includes transfer to a person under 18 for hunting purposes.

The way I interpret that is, you can loan a gun to someone for hunting or competition, since it is a temporary transfer. Of course, the interpretation that counts is that of the local D.A.

 

[Theohazard]

^^^ I'm pretty sure you have to both be actively participating in hunting in order to hand someone a gun. As for target shooting, you have to be at an officially-recognized range in order to hand someone a gun; if you're plinking in a field or on private property it would be illegal to let someone shoot your gun.

 

[Bobson]

When I talk to people about it, and shed light on the full text/mission of the bill, people overwhelmingly respond with, "So what?"

Many people just don't care.

 

[jrmiddleton425]

Didin't know that. So I guess NY and WA will be similar if the bill is passed.

You have NO IDEA how easy you have it in Washington...in NY, they can basically bust you for whatever they want, because the attorney general won't put in writing, what complies with the law and what doesn't.

Most dealers will transfer fixed with magazine or featureless AR-15s, for example, but nobody with the authority to confirm that it's legal, will say so.

 

[Keb]

I think you would find that that legal language comes from the Bloomberg model law. Those same words were used in the Colorado Bill.

 

[GJSchulze]

Not totally correct about NYS. Permits and their restrictions apply to handguns, not rifles. At a gun range you may let anyone use your gun if they also have a permit. Listing a pistol on both husband's and wife's permits requires a single page form to be submitted at the county clerk office with a small fee ($3 in Monroe County). Any number of pistols can be listed on th same form for the single fee. This probably varies from county to county.

 

[MedWheeler]

Florida has, to date, never found any issues, real or fabricated, with one person being in possession of another's firearm.

 

[Ranb]

^^ I'm pretty sure you have to both be actively participating in hunting in order to hand someone a gun. As for target shooting, you have to be at an officially-recognized range in order to hand someone a gun; if you're plinking in a field or on private property it would be illegal to let someone shoot your gun.

If it is a competition or performance of some kind then the gun can be loaned. If not then the gun has to be stored at the range at all times for the owner to let anyone else use it.

Ranb

 

[GRIZ22]

It's even legal in NJ to let someone else shoot your gun at a range.

 

[morcey2]

If it is a competition or performance of some kind then the gun can be loaned. If not then the gun has to be stored at the range at all times for the owner to let anyone else use it.

Ranb

It's even legal in NJ to let someone else shoot your gun at a range.

That's one of the strategies that anti's use to say that they're not anti-gun. "But you can own a gun, but you have to keep it at the range/club/outfitters! See, we're not infringing."

I've had several conversations with fence-sitters who don't have a problem with limiting all guns to ranges and hunting clubs. The reason usually is because they have been convinced that the 2A is about hunting and, tangentially, target shooting. It's at that point that I usually run screaming into the night.

In Utah, I can let anyone shoot my guns as long as I don't have reason to believe that they're a prohibited person. And if I even have the slightest inkling that someone might be prohibited, it ain't gonna happen.

On a related note, what effect would laws like I-594 have on things like BSA (scouting, not mediocre optics company) Rifle and Shotgun merit-badge classes and other similar training? I teach some here and thankfully it isn't an issue.

Matt

 

[NMPOPS]

You people need to work at voting that law down!

 

[amd6547]

In Ohio, I can not only let somebody shoot my firearm, but if they like it and hand me enough money, they can have it.

 

[DC2]

What the antis want on this is a "chilling effect."

Take a non gun owner first time shooter to the range and almost all will have a good time. These types of laws will make it less likely as people grow concerned this maybe a crime.

If I go into a Maryland Bass pro with my Virginia carry license and my DC FOID they wont let me handle a trigger locked unloaded handgun due to their lawyers' reading of the Maryland law. Gun shops in Va, Pa, don't even ask me for ID.

 

[Praxidike]

You have NO IDEA how easy you have it in Washington...in NY, they can basically bust you for whatever they want, because the attorney general won't put in writing, what complies with the law and what doesn't.

Most dealers will transfer fixed with magazine or featureless AR-15s, for example, but nobody with the authority to confirm that it's legal, will say so.

I'm in VA, but Bloomberg has long since had a grudge against VA gun laws. He has always blamed VA for all the guns that end up in NY. He even spent big bucks in the VA governor election to get an antigun candidate elected. They will target VA next or in the near future. I don't think it's about gun control with Bloomberg. I think it's a competition with him.

 

[Ranb]

On a related note, what effect would laws like I-594 have on things like BSA (scouting, not mediocre optics company) Rifle and Shotgun merit-badge classes and other similar training? I teach some here and thankfully it isn't an issue.

Ironically if I-594 passes I can teach a kid with my rifle at a rifle range where the gun is not stored there, but I can't teach an adult. Kids are specifically exempted.

Ranb

 

[GRIZ22]

morecy2, NJ does not require your guns to be stored at a range. They do require you be present when the gun is used by someone else. You seem to misinterpret what I said. I'm not defending NJ gun laws as they do suck but want to ensure you understand what I said before you use it in an argument.

 

[Sav .250]

"If" means just that. When cast in concrete, then worry.