Legalzing guns and drugs

[abrink]

Think about it. The people that want drugs will get drugs. The people that want guns will get guns. Laws against these things don't do much to solve the problems. If we legalized guns everyone would be armed and ready to defend themselves. Oh and by the way when i say legalize i mean to have no restrictions against. Instead of criminals going to there nearest streat corner to get dope that could have tons of other crap in it they could go to a pharmacy and have trained professionals give them what they want. And with all the money we save from not needing DEA and other drug units we could up airport security, up border patrol, and just have more people patrolling areas that need patrolling.

I am sure many of you disagree and many of you will agree. Please don't give anyone attitude and if you see an obvious flaw address it in a polite manner and not one that someone could take offense to. After all this is the high road. Thanks!

Note: Please dont post until the poll is up.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Carrying a gun doesn't change my personality or affect my judgement. Taking drugs does.

 

[General Geoff]

^^Just because it's legal doesn't mean you have to partake in it.

 

[gego]

I agree that the war on drugs is a war on freedom. Freedom means you can decide to do what you want, as long as you do not commit aggression against another. You are free to do well for yourself or screw up you life as you see fit.

I think people take drugs to increase pleasure or to kill pain. Self medication you might call it. I think it is extremely cruel for someone else to decide if you need more pleasure or less pain, especially when many of those making the decision are themselves pain killer takers, like Ted Kennedy for example, who is a lifelong alcohol addict.

My judgment is that the war on drugs is the institutionalization of insanity.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Just because it's legal doesn't mean you have to partake in it.

It's the other guy who partakes who bothers me. This year, so far, in this small county, we have had one murder -- three meth-heads beat a fourth meth-head to death with a shovel -- and one bank robbery. In the robbery two Einsteins called in a bomb threat to the school, then one of them robbed the bank. They got $1600, and were caught within 24 hours.

 

[Leif Runenritzer]

The war on drugs is a huge waste of money that only benefits governments and criminals.

I'll stick with beer, personally.

 

[abrink]

Vern, it doesn't matter weather it is legal or isn't. People will get their drugs. As long as theres a need there will be a supply. So I dont see why we should waste time, money, and effort to stop something that will happen anyway.

And i agree with the person below you. In some states it's legal to parade around naked!

I dont know about you but i usually dont do that.

 

[R.W.Dale]

The failed war on drugs has done thousands of times more to limit our freedom and liberty than the much maligned patriot act ever will. It's what gotten us to the militarization of the police. It's what's prevented us from locking up REAL criminals due to prison overcrowding. Lastly and not least of which it's resulted in the death of thousands of citizens and law enforcement officers in the past 40yrs who've died for WHAT?

This is a case where the cure has been much much worse than the disease

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Vern, it doesn't matter weather it is legal or isn't. People will get their drugs. As long as theres a need there will be a supply. So I dont see why we should waste time, money, and effort to stop something that will happen anyway.

And people are gonna commit murder, rape, and bank robbery -- should we abolish those laws, too?

And i agree with the person below you. In some states it's legal to parade around naked!

I dont know about you but i usually dont do that.

Obviously you're not hung like I am.

 

[rocinante]

Last I checked drug addicts aren't deterred by existing laws and there is enough information about any particular drug to know they are bad ideas. People are people and no amount of education or punishment is going to deter a large part. It would be nice if there were last ruined lives and death but how well is our war on drugs working? Not even a dent versus billions and billions and BILLIONS or dollars and hours spent. If you could conquer stupid then we could all join hands and sing kumbaya together. Last I checked I don't see much difference between a hard core alcoholic and a meth head. Decriminalization would take a HUGE element of true criminality out of the PROBLEM. Less people in jail, less prison and police expenses, less property theif, less profit and less street violence. Plus drug users would pay the sin stupid tax every alcohol and cigarette purchases does. Prohibition aint working. AGAIN.

Guns. We have the laws for penalty that are stiff as the laws against drug usage but still they are used for crime. There have been times where not being armed was considered abnormal. I doubt gun crime was worst by a long shot. Huh Huh he said long shot.

Time to go back to the 1890s is my opinion as far as personal freedom and responsibilities are concerned. For the people who fail the law is not a deterrent at all and for drugs the cost of failure is a very personal tragedy. I don't see the benefit of supporting a very expensive and ineffective and potential freedom snuffing police state bureaucracy for no gain.

 

[R.W.Dale]

And people are gonna commit murder, rape, and bank robbery -- should we abolish those laws, too?

Those crimes deprive someone ELSE of thier life liberty or property.

Someone doing meth until they weigh 80lbs and have to dance around in the shower to get wet only effects that person

 

[JesseL]

Prohibition doesn't work (whether applied to alcohol, drugs, guns, information, or anything else). It's been proven many times.

Attempts to enforce prohibition result in the spread of organized crime, infringement of civil liberties, expansion of parasitic government, distribution of low quality and dangerous items/substances, and much innocent suffering.

Drug abuse and violence are terrible things, but they're only made worse through inept governmental meddling.

 

[Mp7]

D.A.R.E to think - it´s not illegal yet.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Last I checked drug addicts aren't deterred by existing laws and there is enough information about any particular drug to know they are bad ideas.

But locking them up puts them where they can't commit crimes and push their drugs onto your kids.

 

[Gunsby_Blazen]

If drugs were legal how would that effect employment? couldn't a drug user claim discrimination for not being hired?

I really don't think the poll goes hand in hand. I want to legalize guns but I cannot say I would like to legalize drugs. Firearms are tools and drugs are not. One has a legitimate purpose while the other is purely recreation (which derogates the use).

I do understand it is a limitation on freedom and I am a firm believer that people should have the liberty to do as they please. Part of me says yes, legalize it, but part of me says no as it would have negative implications on society that legalizing baned weapons would not. But, if its one thing I despise is denying someone their liberty, in this country.
Its a really tough question

 

[R.W.Dale]

But locking them up puts them where they can't commit crimes and push their drugs onto your kids.

Do you actually believe that govt propaganda ? What a load of garbage.

Even drug dealers don't force people to do things they don't want to do. That's the goverments responsibility.

Liquor store owners pushing booze to school kids on campus is such a problem

 

[Gun Slinger]

Since 'guns' are already legal it is kind of a pointless poll.

As for the legalization of drugs, I am all for it just as long as those partaking in such foolishness do so at the levels necessary to remove themselves permanently from the gene pool.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Those crimes deprive someone ELSE of thier life liberty or property.

Like the guy the three other meth-users murdered with a shovel?

Like the bank the two meth-users robbed early this month?

Someone doing meth until they weigh 80lbs and have to dance around in the shower to get wet only effects that person

Talk to the father of the kid who was killed.

Do you actually believe that propaganda?

Even drug dealers don't force people to do things they don't want to do. That's the goverments responsibility

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Children are easily led astray -- which is why so many drug users trace their first use back to their early teens.

 

[R.W.Dale]

Like the guy the three other meth-users murdered with a shovel?

Like the bank the two meth-users robbed early this month?

would this have happened if they could have bought thier crap legally?

Talk to the father of the kid who was killed.

It's called being a failure as a father. Buck passing is a way of life nowadays isn't it. Cry me a river. Tell that to someone killed in a no knock warrant with he wrong address

Children are easily led astray -- which is why so many drug users trace their first use back to their early teens.

See the above response

 

[Joe Cool]

Try looking at Amsterdam. If it's not nailed down, it grows legs due to all the theft by junkies wanting to buy more drugs. Street crime is horrendous. Go 100 miles south to Belgium and you can leave most anything out in a classroom because there drugs are illegal. Having seen both areas multiple times first hand, you can keep the 'drugs have no effect' fantasy to yourself. I for one am dead set against legalizing them.

I agree with Gun Slinger, give them plenty so all they die quickly and die high. I watched a close HS friend ruin his business, his life and watch his wife give birth to a severely impaired child, of which several impairments only come from certain drug abuses I was told. No thank you, that fantasy is for those who will run away as soon as the consequences come home to roost.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Quote:
Like the guy the three other meth-users murdered with a shovel?

Like the bank the two meth-users robbed early this month?

would this have happened if they could have bought thier crap legally?

Yep. They killed him to take drugs and money from him. Being meth-users, they weren't able to hold down jobs.

Quote:
Talk to the father of the kid who was killed.

It's called being a failure as a father. Buck passing is a way of life nowadays isn't it. Cry me a river. Tell that to someone killed in a no knock warrant with he wrong address

Cry me a river for those poor drug addicts whose fathers should be blamed. As for me, I protect my kids by supporting laws to lock drug users.

Quote:
Children are easily led astray -- which is why so many drug users trace their first use back to their early teens.

See the above response

See my above reply.

 

[slide]

What we need to also keep in mind is that if we demand fairly unfettered right to bear arms and thus assume the responsibility of power, we need to allow others to assume responsibility for what they put into their bodies.

I don't envision a optimum society if drugs were all legal, but I do know for a fact that they once were. Yes there were addicts. Yes there was a downside, but I don't see the drug problem of, say, 1925, as bad as today's.

Drugs are, IMO, a disease, but the War on Drugs is a cure worse than the worst manifestation of the disease.

 

[tkkr]

What about the work area? Do you want a surgeon legally operating on you thats on shrooms?

Its not the drug addicts you should be worried about, its all the people that will start doing drugs if they are legalized. "Oh, my druggy friend told me to try it and now im addicted to crack, I quit my job making millions on wallstreet because my boss questioned me and im not havin' any of that ****, IM SPECIAL".

Imagine where the fast-food industry would go.
Ordertaker: May I take your order?
Citizen: Yes, I would like a #3, no pickles, with some crack, I love crack.
Ordertaker: Me too, pick me up when I get off work and lets go get some mentally undeveloped school kids hooked on it.

 

[R.W.Dale]

I protect my kids by supporting laws to lock drug users.

LOL now that's funny.

You're doing nothing of the sort other than making YOURSELF feel better. The Govt won't do ^%& for you, the responsibility is yours.

More buck passing at the ballot box

 

[tkkr]

Listen, kids arent going to do what daddy says when daddy isnt around, especially when they are out having fun and get caught up in the moment.